Bullying desguised (badly) as precaution

On the flight training biz: Thanx for the advice. One of the local
schools trains on Pipers, another Cessnas. I'm over 6' too, and the old
152 i trained in years back doesn't leave an awful lot of head room or leg
room. I've never been in a Piper before. Cessna bills its Skylane as a
"stable, easy to fly" machine. Do you think that's true, and how would
the Piper compare?

The Skylane (Cessna 182) is a fine bird, but it's also a high-performance
plane, not generally used for primary training. Not to say that it can't be
done, but the per-hour rate on a Skylane is much higher than a 150/152.

Unless, by chance, did you mean a Skyhawk? That's a 172, and is often used
as a primary flight trainer. Good plane, very stable, low-powered, but
that's okay -- you can't get into too much trouble that way. It's a lot
roomier inside than a 152, being a 4-seater, and is more along the lines of
the Pipers I was recommending.

I trained in a Piper Cherokee 140, which they don't make anymore. Many
people train in a Piper Warrior (a "stretched" Cherokee 140), which is still
in production and is basically a Cessna 172 with the wing on the bottom.
Personally, I like riding on TOP of the wing, rather than hanging beneath
it -- but that's just a personal preference.

Either plane will give you more head/shoulder room than a 150/152, but will
cost commensurately more per hour to operate. I think the few extra bucks
per hour are worth not having to lay on top of your instructor -- unless
she's good looking... ;-)

(I'll be good (not that I won't ever go after the nefarious Phil Boyer
anymore); the rest of the group can thank Jay!)

Jeez, don't be too good -- who will we have to abuse? ;-) Seriously, over
time I think you will find pilots to be an outstanding group of people, for
the most part. Not to say that every group doesn't have bad apples, but
they are few and far between at airports, in my experience. Not only are
pilots my best friends, but I've built a business plan around them -- and
haven't been disappointed yet.

In closing, getting your pilot's certificate will be unlike anything you've
ever accomplished before -- I urge you to do it! That certificate, for me,
is far more significant and meaningful than my high school diploma, my
college degree, or any award or title of won, before or since.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Either plane will give you more head/shoulder room than a 150/152, but will
cost commensurately more per hour to operate. I think the few extra bucks
per hour are worth not having to lay on top of your instructor -- unless
she's good looking... ;-)


another advantage of the warrior or C172, is that once you have
your ticket, you are already flying an aircraft that is a lot
more capable than a C152; these are neat cross country aircraft
(well, at least for a while, some people are never satisfied),
i.e., you won't have to transition into a more capable aircraft
soon after the checkride.

--Sylvain

"Sylvain" wrote in message
...
Jay Honeck wrote:
Either plane will give you more head/shoulder room than a 150/152, but
will cost commensurately more per hour to operate. I think the few extra
bucks per hour are worth not having to lay on top of your instructor --
unless she's good looking... ;-)


another advantage of the warrior or C172, is that once you have
your ticket, you are already flying an aircraft that is a lot
more capable than a C152; these are neat cross country aircraft
(well, at least for a while, some people are never satisfied),
i.e., you won't have to transition into a more capable aircraft
soon after the checkride.

--Sylvain

Your local geography can play a part in this process too. Here in Arizona,
one must be very aware of density altitude issues. Some places are just not
reachable when it's hot and/or the destination is "high." I opted to train
in 180hp 172s for this very reason. Doesn't mean that I can discount
density altiude (far from it), but I don't run out of performance chart as
fast as I would with a 150/152 or lower powered Piper.

Just my $0.02 worth...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

another advantage of the warrior or C172, is that once you have
your ticket, you are already flying an aircraft that is a lot
more capable than a C152; these are neat cross country aircraft

Absolutely. I trained in a Cherokee 140, transitioned seamlessly to renting
Warriors after I got my ticket, and made the Warrior the first plane I
bought.

If my kids didn't get so danged big, I'd STILL be flying that Warrior. It's
a great plane -- just a bit underpowered if you have to fly with four real
people all the time.

Your local geography can play a part in this process too. Here in
Arizona, one must be very aware of density altitude issues.

Well, since Skylune is a New Yorker, I don't think he'll have to worry too
much about density altitude.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Well, since Skylune is a New Yorker, I don't think he'll have to worry too
much about density altitude.

Wrong. There is a LOT of hot air in NY City. :-)

Matt

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Well, since Skylune is a New Yorker, I don't think he'll have to worry too
much about density altitude.

No, just the denseness of New Yorkers! g
--
Jim in NC

An ex- NYer, actually. Completed the sale of my NY home and will be living
in New Hampshire full time soon. Thanx for the advice on the plane. I'll
be making a decision shortly, after the moving chaos is over.

An ex- NYer, actually. Completed the sale of my NY home and will be living
in New Hampshire full time soon.

Ya gotta love a state whose motto is "Live Free or Die"...

;-)

Thanx for the advice on the plane. I'll
be making a decision shortly, after the moving chaos is over.

Keep posting. You may even want to check out rec.aviation.owning, when
you get serious.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay said: "Keep posting. You may even want to check out
rec.aviation.owning, when
you get serious."

Well, I will never get totally serious: its just not in my genetic
makeup.

(New Hampshire is a better state for me than NY. The tax savings alone
would more than offset the costs of flight training.)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
An ex- NYer, actually. Completed the sale of my NY home and will be
living
in New Hampshire full time soon.

Ya gotta love a state whose motto is "Live Free or Die"...

With famous irony, New Hampshire used to imprison people who had religious
objections to the motto and taped over it on their own license plates. The
ACLU came to the rescue in Wooley v Maynard.

--Gary