Speaking of landing on the freeway

What is it with these fuel starvation incidents? Never ceases
to amaze me that such a preventable thing continues to occur.
I mean, its not rocket science...

1) know how much useable fuel you have in the tanks.

2) know what your fuel burn is per hour.
(be conservative and add extra for take-off and climb)

3) divide 1) by 2) ... that's how long the engine will run.

4) subtract a half an hour (just make it an hour for IFR or night)

5) add result to your departure time: that is when you
need to be on short final SOMEWHERE.

Louis L. Perley III wrote:

Except the landing went ok, but the takeoff did not.

After safe emergency landing, pilot crashes on takeoff

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...izarre/3421136

What is it with these fuel starvation incidents? Never ceases
to amaze me that such a preventable thing continues to occur.
I mean, its not rocket science...

Improper or lack of leaning.

What is it with these fuel starvation incidents? Never ceases
to amaze me that such a preventable thing continues to occur.
I mean, its not rocket science...

No doubt. I'm AMAZED at how often perfectly good airplanes get bent up
by running outa gas... While that wasn't the cause of the accident
here, it was a contributing factor. There are so many things that can
go wrong (that you don't have control of) you'd think every pilot would
concentrate on things they CAN control like fuel on board. Oy.

That incident is not going to help the cause of other 210 owners come
policy renewal time. I've been told by insurance people the 210 is
expensive to insure, although I can't figure out why it'd cost more
than a 182/177/172RG...

" wrote
That incident is not going to help the cause of other 210 owners come
policy renewal time. I've been told by insurance people the 210 is
expensive to insure, although I can't figure out why it'd cost more
than a 182/177/172RG...

Because, just as the Bonanza, they tend to be "Doctor/Lawyer" airplanes.

Bob Moore

Bob Moore wrote:
" wrote

That incident is not going to help the cause of other 210 owners come
policy renewal time. I've been told by insurance people the 210 is
expensive to insure, although I can't figure out why it'd cost more
than a 182/177/172RG...

Because, just as the Bonanza, they tend to be "Doctor/Lawyer" airplanes.

Used to share hanger space with him (Mike Simon) he's a landlord to many
here in town, wife's a retired nurse...

Because, just as the Bonanza, they tend to be "Doctor/Lawyer" airplanes

A C-210? Didn't think they had the same allure as Bonanzas & Barons for
the MD/JD set...

This insurance agent told me the 210 was a special case, I assume due
to loss rate. There are some companies that won't write policies for
210s at all. I just can't figure what it is about that plane that would
make getting insured such a hassle.

Newer 210's are 6 place
Older 210's have a complicated gear & gear/door system that has caused some
gear up situations.
Large engine.
Fast airplane.
Some are pressurized.
Some are turbo charged.
Some are both.

Combine any of the above and the insurance rates skyrocket.

I talked to a 1988 C210 owner recently and he said that he was very willing
to pay the extra premium for a turbo 210 over a non turbo 210, but when he
asked about a pressurized T-210 the rate was absolutely astronomical.

Jim

wrote in message
ups.com...
Because, just as the Bonanza, they tend to be "Doctor/Lawyer"
airplanes

A C-210? Didn't think they had the same allure as Bonanzas & Barons for
the MD/JD set...

This insurance agent told me the 210 was a special case, I assume due
to loss rate. There are some companies that won't write policies for
210s at all. I just can't figure what it is about that plane that would
make getting insured such a hassle.

Jim Burns wrote:
Newer 210's are 6 place
Older 210's have a complicated gear & gear/door system that has caused some
gear up situations.
Large engine.
Fast airplane.
Some are pressurized.
Some are turbo charged.
Some are both.

Combine any of the above and the insurance rates skyrocket.


Bull****. It costs me less to insure my Bonanza for 6 seats than it
would to insure a 206 with 4 seats. Exact same hull value.

What kind of numbers, just for comparison? We used to pay $2400 for an 80k
R-182, 1M/1K.
Jim

"Newps" wrote in message
...


Jim Burns wrote:
Newer 210's are 6 place
Older 210's have a complicated gear & gear/door system that has caused
some
gear up situations.
Large engine.
Fast airplane.
Some are pressurized.
Some are turbo charged.
Some are both.

Combine any of the above and the insurance rates skyrocket.


Bull****. It costs me less to insure my Bonanza for 6 seats than it
would to insure a 206 with 4 seats. Exact same hull value.

Newps wrote:

Bull****. It costs me less to insure my Bonanza for 6 seats than it
would to insure a 206 with 4 seats. Exact same hull value.

I have the fifth and sixth seat for my Bonanza but I haven't yet installed
them because of fear of a large insurance increase (a rumor perpetuated by
the previous owner). Also, there wasn't really a need until this year, now
that the surprise third child is eight months old and ready to fly.

--
Peter
Not a doctor or a lawyer























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