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![]() "Stefan" wrote in message ... Sigh, ok. Replace "mistake" by "is to blame" and then you might understand what I've meant. If somebody is given a task which is impossible to accomplish, then who is to blame? The one who failed or the one who gave him the task? The controller was not given a task that was impossible to accomplish. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
If somebody is given a task which is impossible to accomplish, then who is to blame? The one who failed or the one who gave him the task? The controller was not given a task that was impossible to accomplish. Why did you snip my next sentence? Stefan |
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![]() "Stefan" wrote in message ... Why did you snip my next sentence? Because since I chose not to respond to it there was no reason to keep it. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net... If somebody is given a task which is impossible to accomplish, then who is to blame? The one who failed or the one who gave him the task? The controller was not given a task that was impossible to accomplish. Very few tasks are absolutely impossible to accomplish. Whether something is possible for a particular person with particular skills to accomplish in a particular situation is another thing entirely. The aviation industry goes to great pains to take note of the human factors involved in what goes on, and this entire incident is (very sadly) an excellent example of how a combination of (often unrelated) human factors issues can combine to cause loss of life. D. |
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"David Cartwright" wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... If somebody is given a task which is impossible to accomplish, then who is to blame? The one who failed or the one who gave him the task? The controller was not given a task that was impossible to accomplish. Very few tasks are absolutely impossible to accomplish. Whether something is possible for a particular person with particular skills to accomplish in a particular situation is another thing entirely. The aviation industry goes to great pains to take note of the human factors involved in what goes on, and this entire incident is (very sadly) an excellent example of how a combination of (often unrelated) human factors issues can combine to cause loss of life. D. Luckily so..and caused by a lot of study, think tanks and training in this very very responsible occupation. I don't think that controllers are making enough money to compensate them properly for their responsibility. One get's a huge shot of respect for them when one's entering a very busy ATC section in zero zero conditions and listen to them handling many many flights very rapidly...you sure hang onto every word they speak and the 'tone of voice' it's given in. ![]() -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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![]() "Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... I don't think that controllers are making enough money to compensate them properly for their responsibility. You're absolutely right. |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:22:04 GMT, Gord Beaman
wrote: /// I don't think that controllers are making enough money to compensate them properly for their responsibility. /// Let's see, what does a center controller make currently? A hundred grand? More? About as much as a (US) pharmaceutical dispenser I guess? A third as much as a physician? A fifth as much as an anesthesiologist? Brian Whatcott Altusa OK |
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Brian Whatcott wrote:
I guess? A third as much as a physician? A fifth as much as an anesthesiologist? yet, a bad physician or anesthesiologist generally only kills one patient at a time... --Sylvain |
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Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:22:04 GMT, Gord Beaman wrote: /// I don't think that controllers are making enough money to compensate them properly for their responsibility. /// Let's see, what does a center controller make currently? A hundred grand? More? About as much as a (US) pharmaceutical dispenser I guess? A third as much as a physician? A fifth as much as an anesthesiologist? Brian Whatcott Altusa OK Hell no, it'd shake you Brian...here's a site for California. http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/AIRCONTR.HTM ....and a snippet from that site... WAGES, HOURS, AND FRINGE BENEFITS Entry-level Air Traffic Controllers start at $24,734 per year at the General Schedule-7 (GS-7). Journey-level wages for controllers depend on the size and complexity of the facility where they work. For example, for smaller towns in California like Chico and Modesto, the rate at the journey-level is $33,320, (GS-10); while, at the Sacramento airport, the journey-level pay is $39,406 (GS-11). In busier airports, the pay can go as high as $86,275 (GS-14). Top pay for journey-level Flight Service Station Controllers is $61,401 (GS-12). Many controllers receive additional pay to compensate for higher living costs in expensive areas. This is disgusting, when one thinks of their responsibility...God! I make more than some of these guys and I'm retired military... -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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![]() "Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... Hell no, it'd shake you Brian...here's a site for California. http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/AIRCONTR.HTM ...and a snippet from that site... WAGES, HOURS, AND FRINGE BENEFITS Entry-level Air Traffic Controllers start at $24,734 per year at the General Schedule-7 (GS-7). Journey-level wages for controllers depend on the size and complexity of the facility where they work. For example, for smaller towns in California like Chico and Modesto, the rate at the journey-level is $33,320, (GS-10); while, at the Sacramento airport, the journey-level pay is $39,406 (GS-11). In busier airports, the pay can go as high as $86,275 (GS-14). Top pay for journey-level Flight Service Station Controllers is $61,401 (GS-12). Many controllers receive additional pay to compensate for higher living costs in expensive areas. This is disgusting, when one thinks of their responsibility...God! I make more than some of these guys and I'm retired military... That information looks to be about ten years old. |
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