Widower stabbed Air Traffic Controller?

"Stefan" wrote in message
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Sigh, ok. Replace "mistake" by "is to blame" and then you might understand
what I've meant.

If somebody is given a task which is impossible to accomplish, then who is
to blame? The one who failed or the one who gave him the task?


The controller was not given a task that was impossible to accomplish.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

If somebody is given a task which is impossible to accomplish, then who is
to blame? The one who failed or the one who gave him the task?

The controller was not given a task that was impossible to accomplish.

Why did you snip my next sentence?

Stefan

"Stefan" wrote in message
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Why did you snip my next sentence?


Because since I chose not to respond to it there was no reason to keep it.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...
If somebody is given a task which is impossible to accomplish, then who
is to blame? The one who failed or the one who gave him the task?
The controller was not given a task that was impossible to accomplish.

Very few tasks are absolutely impossible to accomplish. Whether something is
possible for a particular person with particular skills to accomplish in a
particular situation is another thing entirely. The aviation industry goes
to great pains to take note of the human factors involved in what goes on,
and this entire incident is (very sadly) an excellent example of how a
combination of (often unrelated) human factors issues can combine to cause
loss of life.

D.

"David Cartwright" wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net...
If somebody is given a task which is impossible to accomplish, then who
is to blame? The one who failed or the one who gave him the task?
The controller was not given a task that was impossible to accomplish.

Very few tasks are absolutely impossible to accomplish. Whether something is
possible for a particular person with particular skills to accomplish in a
particular situation is another thing entirely. The aviation industry goes
to great pains to take note of the human factors involved in what goes on,
and this entire incident is (very sadly) an excellent example of how a
combination of (often unrelated) human factors issues can combine to cause
loss of life.

D.

Luckily so..and caused by a lot of study, think tanks and
training in this very very responsible occupation. I don't think
that controllers are making enough money to compensate them
properly for their responsibility.

One get's a huge shot of respect for them when one's entering a
very busy ATC section in zero zero conditions and listen to them
handling many many flights very rapidly...you sure hang onto
every word they speak and the 'tone of voice' it's given in.
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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I don't think that controllers are making enough money to compensate them
properly for their responsibility.


You're absolutely right.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:22:04 GMT, Gord Beaman
wrote:
/// I don't think
that controllers are making enough money to compensate them
properly for their responsibility.
///

Let's see, what does a center controller make currently?
A hundred grand? More?
About as much as a (US) pharmaceutical dispenser
I guess? A third as much as a physician?
A fifth as much as an anesthesiologist?

Brian Whatcott Altusa OK

Brian Whatcott wrote:
I guess? A third as much as a physician?
A fifth as much as an anesthesiologist?

yet, a bad physician or anesthesiologist generally
only kills one patient at a time...

--Sylvain

Brian Whatcott wrote:

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:22:04 GMT, Gord Beaman
wrote:
/// I don't think
that controllers are making enough money to compensate them
properly for their responsibility.
///

Let's see, what does a center controller make currently?
A hundred grand? More?
About as much as a (US) pharmaceutical dispenser
I guess? A third as much as a physician?
A fifth as much as an anesthesiologist?

Brian Whatcott Altusa OK

Hell no, it'd shake you Brian...here's a site for California.

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/AIRCONTR.HTM

....and a snippet from that site...

WAGES, HOURS, AND FRINGE BENEFITS

Entry-level Air Traffic Controllers start at $24,734 per year at
the General Schedule-7 (GS-7). Journey-level wages for
controllers depend on the size and complexity of the facility
where they work. For example, for smaller towns in California
like Chico and Modesto, the rate at the journey-level is $33,320,
(GS-10); while, at the Sacramento airport, the journey-level pay
is $39,406 (GS-11). In busier airports, the pay can go as high
as $86,275 (GS-14). Top pay for journey-level Flight Service
Station Controllers is $61,401 (GS-12). Many controllers receive
additional pay to compensate for higher living costs in expensive
areas.

This is disgusting, when one thinks of their
responsibility...God! I make more than some of these guys and I'm
retired military...
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-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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Hell no, it'd shake you Brian...here's a site for California.

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/AIRCONTR.HTM

...and a snippet from that site...

WAGES, HOURS, AND FRINGE BENEFITS

Entry-level Air Traffic Controllers start at $24,734 per year at
the General Schedule-7 (GS-7). Journey-level wages for
controllers depend on the size and complexity of the facility
where they work. For example, for smaller towns in California
like Chico and Modesto, the rate at the journey-level is $33,320,
(GS-10); while, at the Sacramento airport, the journey-level pay
is $39,406 (GS-11). In busier airports, the pay can go as high
as $86,275 (GS-14). Top pay for journey-level Flight Service
Station Controllers is $61,401 (GS-12). Many controllers receive
additional pay to compensate for higher living costs in expensive
areas.

This is disgusting, when one thinks of their
responsibility...God! I make more than some of these guys and I'm
retired military...


That information looks to be about ten years old.