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Old November 6th 05, 05:56 AM
Jose
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And it is not end of twilight, it is end or beginning of civil twilight.

Is there another kind of twilight?

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Old November 6th 05, 06:09 AM
Stan Prevost
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Yes, there is nautical twilight and astronomical twilight, and then just
plain old everyday "generic" twilight that we refer to in everyday speech.
The former ones and civil twilight have precise definitions based on how far
the center of the sun's disc is below the horizon, thus being useful for
regulatory purposes. Generic twilight is defined in a usual dictionary but
is not precise.


"Jose" wrote in message
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And it is not end of twilight, it is end or beginning of civil twilight.


Is there another kind of twilight?

Jose
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Old November 6th 05, 12:43 PM
Matt Whiting
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Jose wrote:
And it is not end of twilight, it is end or beginning of civil twilight.



Is there another kind of twilight?


I believe that twilight in and of itself is a fairly subjective
description. Civil twilight, however, has been more rigorously defined
and thus is more precise. I don't recall exactly, but it is something
like the time when the center of the disk of the sun is so many degrees
(6 sticks in my mind, but is just a recollection) below the horizon with
respect to the point of the viewer.

There are tables available to give you this time at pretty much at point
on the earth.

Matt
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Old November 5th 05, 01:31 PM
Matt Whiting
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BTIZ wrote:
yes... they have to be training received from a CFI
one day, one night, and they have to be VFR.. using the IFR ticket to get
down through the soup at the other end is a disqualifying factor.. divert to
a VFR field..

the idea is that you have planned, flown and navigated to "commercial
standards"

I did mine with a very dark launch one morning.. landing before sunrise at
the other end.
Had breakfast at the airport diner and then flew back in day light.


I've been thinking the same think in reverse. Fly to an airport late in
the day, have supper and then return at night.

Just seems like a whacky requirement to me at this point in my flying
career. :-)

Matt
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Old November 5th 05, 03:20 PM
BTIZ
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I've been thinking the same think in reverse. Fly to an airport late in
the day, have supper and then return at night.

Just seems like a whacky requirement to me at this point in my flying
career. :-)

Matt


whacky requirement? Maybe..
but all applicants have to be trained to the same level, whether 250hrs or
1000hrs
have you received training IAW the commercial training standards for cross
country flying
and as part of that training to include divert procedures..

BT


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Old November 5th 05, 03:53 PM
Matt Whiting
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BTIZ wrote:
I've been thinking the same think in reverse. Fly to an airport late in
the day, have supper and then return at night.

Just seems like a whacky requirement to me at this point in my flying
career. :-)

Matt



whacky requirement? Maybe..
but all applicants have to be trained to the same level, whether 250hrs or
1000hrs
have you received training IAW the commercial training standards for cross
country flying
and as part of that training to include divert procedures..


I've diverted for real a number of times while in IMC and dealing with
thunderstorms and ice. I just don't see the description in the
commercial PTS to be all that challenging. :-)


Matt
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Old November 5th 05, 08:11 PM
Andrew Sarangan
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I believe the regs were written in the days when commercial pilot
candidates did not always have an instrument rating. Nowadays the
commercial xc is a rather silly requirement.

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Old November 7th 05, 05:36 AM
Scott D
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:31:14 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Just seems like a whacky requirement to me at this point in my flying
career. :-)


Don't feel bad, I had a guy come to me with over 4000 x-c hours with
about 4500 total and wanted to do his initial commercial multi and we
had to drone through the sky for the 2 hour day and 2 hour night
requirements. I felt like a theft taking his money but we had to do
it to satisfy the requirements..

Scott D.
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Old November 7th 05, 05:41 AM
Jose
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Don't feel bad, I had a guy come to me with over 4000 x-c hours with
about 4500 total and wanted to do his initial commercial multi and we
had to drone through the sky for the 2 hour day and 2 hour night
requirements. I felt like a theft taking his money but we had to do
it to satisfy the requirements..


What did you do with him to take advantage of the time?

Jose
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Old November 9th 05, 12:25 AM
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 05:41:56 GMT, Jose
wrote:

Don't feel bad, I had a guy come to me with over 4000 x-c hours with
about 4500 total and wanted to do his initial commercial multi and we
had to drone through the sky for the 2 hour day and 2 hour night
requirements. I felt like a theft taking his money but we had to do
it to satisfy the requirements..


What did you do with him to take advantage of the time?

Jose


Nothing really, We did go over the 530 and its functions but we
basically just punched a hole through the sky. He was already roughly
familiar with the plane as far as the characteristics so he was
comfortable with it.

Scott D.
 




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