"Movement Area" (airplanes and trucks)

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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Landing on 22 at KCDW today (after a fantastic little trip with my wife
shooting photos of the fall colors around our town), I was instructed to
taxi via H to N to RN tie-down. P, the taxiway normally used to reach N
from that point, was closed for construction.


Where's H? I'm looking at the NACO airport diagram, I see no H. Where's RN
tiedown?



That taxi clearance put me in conflict with a truck. I asked ground for
the trucks intentions, and was told "I don't know; it's not a movement
area" (he may have said "controlled"; I don't recall the specific
verbiage). I had to move very close to parked aircraft to avoid this
truck, who had the grace to slow down. Somewhat.

Airport operations came on the frequency and told the tower to instruct
the trucks to stay somewhere (again, I don't recall the specifics). The
tower
acknowledged. I added "thanks". The tower then asked if I understood
that H wasn't a movement area (or some such).

This situation irks me. Can ground control clear me through an area over
which they've no control?


What's the alternative if the only other route is via a closed taxiway?



I've been cleared *to* uncontrolled areas; not
*through*. Does it become controlled when the taxiway normally used for
that route is closed?


No.



Should it?


No taxiway should be nonmovement area.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:


Where's H?

Parallel to and east of P. It extends between N and D.

I'm looking at the NACO airport diagram, I see no H. Where's
RN tiedown?

It's the parking area near the east side of 9-27.

[...]


What's the alternative if the only other route is via a closed taxiway?

Either H or 4-22, if P is closed anywhere between D and N. One could taxi
north on 4-22, left on B to N, thus keeping use of 4-22 to a minimum.

[It occurs to me that I could have made the right turn onto B. I was slow
enough. But that's "the wrong way", so it never occurred to me and nobody
else suggested it.]

- Andrew

I have seen cases where airports have expanded, and access to some hangars
is provided via "taxiways" through non-mouvment areas, across local roads.
In the cases I recall, the local roads are always clearly marked with STOP
signs, and drivers are informed they must yield to aircraft on the ground.
Is it not a general rule, even in non-mouvment areas, that aircraft have
right of way over land vehicles?

G Faris

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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Parallel to and east of P. It extends between N and D.


I assume it has signage and markings consistent with other taxiways at CDW.
Any idea why taxiway H is not on the airport diagram?



It's the parking area near the east side of 9-27.


Why is it called RN tiedown?



Either H or 4-22, if P is closed anywhere between D and N. One could taxi
north on 4-22, left on B to N, thus keeping use of 4-22 to a minimum.


Those routes require either taxiing on an active runway or crossing it, use
of H requires neither. That's likely why he instructed you to taxi via H to
N to RN tie-down.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I assume it has signage and markings consistent with other taxiways at
CDW.

Yes.

Any idea why taxiway H is not on the airport diagram?

None. FYI: Up until about a year or two ago, it wasn't a taxiway. It had
no official name. People called P "outer" and what-is-now-H "inner" (I
might have reversed these).



It's the parking area near the east side of 9-27.


Why is it called RN tiedown?

No idea. There's a story that the taxiway and ramp areas were named by one
individual with fits of odd creativity. Taxiway T, for example, is so
named (according to this story) because of its proximity to the tower.

The bravo tiedown is along side of taxiway B. The delta ramp is near
taxiway delta. RN is reached via taxiway N...but that leave the R part of
the name something of a mystery.

Perhaps another CDW-dweller here knows the answer?

- Andrew

There's a story that the taxiway and ramp areas were named by one
individual with fits of odd creativity. Taxiway T, for example, is so
named (according to this story) because of its proximity to the tower.

I was under the impression that taxiways had to be named in the order in
which they appear going around a clock face (and they all had to be
renamed if a new taxiway was added).

Any idea why that was considered a good idea?

Jose
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