GA's "fair share"

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Would you feel comfortable renting your aircraft to someone who is
going to leave the country in a month and possibly leave you with a big
"user fee" bill? FBOs like to have clean books and don't have huge
accounting offices. This is a MASSIVE paperwork problem. The fact that
the FBO doesn't know what to really charge the renter for a month or
more is just crap.

But that's already how landing fees work for rental aircraft--the fee is
charged to the owner, on the basis of the tail number. If the owner is an
FBO, then the FBO in turn charges the renter who had the plane when the fee
was incurred. It doesn't seem very difficult.

Or similarly, if you fly a rented plane to Canada (as I did recently),
various user fees, landing fees, and customs fees will be charged to the FBO
that owns the plane.

--Gary

But that's already how landing fees work for rental aircraft--the fee is
charged to the owner, on the basis of the tail number. If the owner is an
FBO, then the FBO in turn charges the renter who had the plane when the fee
was incurred. It doesn't seem very difficult.

This doesn't seem difficult compared to a fuel tax? Surely there must
be some political hack who is trying to carve out lifetime employement
for his children. I can just imagine the entire building with hundreds
and hundreds of gov't accounting types charging aircraft owners for
their usages, along with accountants at FBOs trying to figure out who
flew at 1pm and who flew at 2pm. Its just hard to imagine that anyone
finds this "easier* than a fuel tax.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com...
But that's already how landing fees work for rental aircraft--the fee is
charged to the owner, on the basis of the tail number. If the owner is an
FBO, then the FBO in turn charges the renter who had the plane when the fee
was incurred. It doesn't seem very difficult.

This doesn't seem difficult compared to a fuel tax? Surely there must
be some political hack who is trying to carve out lifetime employement
for his children. I can just imagine the entire building with hundreds
and hundreds of gov't accounting types charging aircraft owners for
their usages, along with accountants at FBOs trying to figure out who
flew at 1pm and who flew at 2pm. Its just hard to imagine that anyone
finds this "easier* than a fuel tax.

-Robert


Annual registration fees should go up based on number of seats or max TO gross weight or similar also....

".Blueskies." wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
But that's already how landing fees work for rental aircraft--the fee is
charged to the owner, on the basis of the tail number. If the owner is an
FBO, then the FBO in turn charges the renter who had the plane when the
fee
was incurred. It doesn't seem very difficult.

This doesn't seem difficult compared to a fuel tax? Surely there must
be some political hack who is trying to carve out lifetime employement
for his children. I can just imagine the entire building with hundreds
and hundreds of gov't accounting types charging aircraft owners for
their usages, along with accountants at FBOs trying to figure out who
flew at 1pm and who flew at 2pm. Its just hard to imagine that anyone
finds this "easier* than a fuel tax.

-Robert


Annual registration fees should go up based on number of seats or max TO
gross weight or similar also....

Why?

Mike
MU-2

..Blueskies. wrote:

Annual registration fees should go up based on number of seats or max TO gross weight or similar also....

Seems to me that fuel taxes will go up by the same factors. Larger planes burn
more gas.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"George Patterson" wrote in message news:jKUbf.576$PZ6.208@trndny07...
.Blueskies. wrote:

Annual registration fees should go up based on number of seats or max TO gross weight or similar also....

Seems to me that fuel taxes will go up by the same factors. Larger planes burn more gas.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

What about folks that use autogas. I guess they are paying road taxes. Also, there is no way the registration fees cover
the costs of registration and filing of all the paperwork. I pay more to register my car...

..Blueskies. wrote:
"George Patterson" wrote in message news:jKUbf.576$PZ6.208@trndny07...

.Blueskies. wrote:

Annual registration fees should go up based on number of seats or max TO gross weight or similar also....

Seems to me that fuel taxes will go up by the same factors. Larger planes burn more gas.

What about folks that use autogas. I guess they are paying road taxes. Also, there is no way the registration fees cover
the costs of registration and filing of all the paperwork. I pay more to register my car...

Lessee here... You talk about annual registration fees. Then you start talking
about the fees not covering the cost of registration and paperwork. Rewind.

There is no annual registration, so there is no cost of registration or
paperwork for an aircraft. I took your original post as a proposal to set up a
new tax on aircraft and call it a registration fee. Now you're talking like
there already is such a thing.

As far as car registration is concerned, that's a tax, plain and simple. And,
since there isn't such a thing for a plane, of course auto registration costs more.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"George Patterson" wrote in message news:c0ecf.4670$AF6.572@trndny08...
What about folks that use autogas. I guess they are paying road taxes. Also, there is no way the registration fees
cover the costs of registration and filing of all the paperwork. I pay more to register my car...

Lessee here... You talk about annual registration fees. Then you start talking about the fees not covering the cost of
registration and paperwork. Rewind.

There is no annual registration, so there is no cost of registration or paperwork for an aircraft. I took your
original post as a proposal to set up a new tax on aircraft and call it a registration fee. Now you're talking like
there already is such a thing.

As far as car registration is concerned, that's a tax, plain and simple. And, since there isn't such a thing for a
plane, of course auto registration costs more.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Hmmm, I've never owned a plane but always thought the $5.00 registration fee was paid yearly, not just a one time fee.
Amazing....

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
But that's already how landing fees work for rental aircraft--the fee is
charged to the owner, on the basis of the tail number. If the owner is an
FBO, then the FBO in turn charges the renter who had the plane when the
fee
was incurred. It doesn't seem very difficult.

This doesn't seem difficult compared to a fuel tax? Surely there must
be some political hack who is trying to carve out lifetime employement
for his children. I can just imagine the entire building with hundreds
and hundreds of gov't accounting types charging aircraft owners for
their usages, along with accountants at FBOs trying to figure out who
flew at 1pm and who flew at 2pm. Its just hard to imagine that anyone
finds this "easier* than a fuel tax.

No, I didn't say it's easier. It's just not much more difficult; and no it's
different that what's already done for landing fees (or for Canadian user
fees for US aircraft that cross the border).

It's trivial for software to automatically bill the right user for the fees.
Such software may not be widely used by FBOs yet, but it would be if user
fees were adopted; so the bookkeeping burden isn't a big deal.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
No, I didn't say it's easier. It's just not much more difficult; and no
it's different that what's already done for landing fees

Urk, that should say "and it's no different than". Gotta type more slowly.


--Gary