A new twist on complaints

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:34:17 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message
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Well, the inevitable happened and people built some new subdivisions
off the departure end of 24. It's now almost solid homes for about a
mile and a half and they are the big expensive ones. There is a bit
more traffic in the mornings lately so they are now complaining about
the changes in the traffic and the noise.

New twist? New for the airport, maybe. Same old, same old for airports
generally.

My reference to "new twist" was because the last time this issue came
up they used to opposite complaint. Before they thought it was a
bunch of hobbyists using the airport and very little business. Now
they are complaining there are too many business flights and the
airport should be for local pilots. :-))


Your situation is a great example of why airports should be very aggressive
about dealing with development happening around them, and especially
development happening on the extended runway centerline.

Other airports have successfully challenged developments, either resulting
in ensuring that a path under the centerline is clear, or restricting the
distance within which the development encroaches on the airport, or
requiring that the property titles for the newly developed area carry a

I think that's why the guy has his shorts in a bunch. He's afraid
that if he complains about noise it'll be recorded on his property
deed and if he want's to sell he will have to disclose the noise
problem. So instead of filing a complaint, he writes a letter to the
editor of the local news paper. That and although in the city, I
think he's a good mile and a half to two miles off the end of the
runway.

We have several SR-22s and those suckers are loud. I was surprised
that they make more noise than most of the Bonanzas and 210s.
We're on the centerline for GPS-06 which is straight in and I know
when they go over without even going outside. Depending on what mode
they are only 400 or 500 AGL when they go over this guy's house when
inbound. Of course they aren't running full power either.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
notation describing the presence of the airport and restricting the property
owner's rights with respect to actions against the airport. I especially
like the last option, and in some cases all of the techniques are applied.

Pete

"Roger" wrote

We have several SR-22s and those suckers are loud. I was surprised
that they make more noise than most of the Bonanzas and 210s.

That is the very first I have heard anyone say that about SR-22's. Is it
all prop noise, or is there a good share of engine noise that could be
helped with a bit of muffler? Inconsiderate pilots carrying too many RPM.s
too far out?

I am not one to be anti aviation (in the least!!!), but I say that at times,
we are our own worst enemies, in regard to watching our noise.

Certain planes do seem to have more of a problem, for sure. At OSH every
year, I cringe at the T-6's blasting out of there, like there is not another
person in miles, and that everyone loves to hear their props. I love the
sound of power, but there is a point at which one has to think about what
they are doing, IMHO.
--
Jim in NC

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 02:11:58 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Roger" wrote

We have several SR-22s and those suckers are loud. I was surprised
that they make more noise than most of the Bonanzas and 210s.

That is the very first I have heard anyone say that about SR-22's. Is it
all prop noise, or is there a good share of engine noise that could be
helped with a bit of muffler? Inconsiderate pilots carrying too many RPM.s
too far out?

Surprisingly, unlike the 210 or Bo, the SR22 makes most of the noise
with the exhaust. They are large diameter free flow pipes and with an
IO-550 on the other end make a rather distinctive sound quite
different than that of supersonic prop tips of the T-6 and Bo with a
2-blade prop.

I am not one to be anti aviation (in the least!!!), but I say that at times,
we are our own worst enemies, in regard to watching our noise.


With the Bo and 210 you only have to drop the RPM down to cruise,
which I do as soon as I'm high enough to have a selection of
"just-in-case" sites at hand.

Certain planes do seem to have more of a problem, for sure. At OSH every
year, I cringe at the T-6's blasting out of there, like there is not another
person in miles, and that everyone loves to hear their props. I love the
sound of power, but there is a point at which one has to think about what
they are doing, IMHO.

I've threatened to get some guys to bring in their T-6s and Vultee
Vibrators to do some early morning pattern work. The FBO durn near
had a case of appoplexy :-)) I wasn't serious, but he's a tad
sensitive about that. OTOH if I had the money I'd be flying either a
T28, or Skyraider out of there. :-)) Man, that skyraider is one BIG
airplane. That huge engine has a low note that just about shakes the
ground. So, if you hear of a Skyraider noise problem at 3BS you'll
know I won the lottery.

The problem with the T-6 is that long, 2-blade prop. The tips go
supersonic just past the cruise setting.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com