IFR with a VFR GPS

Peter R. wrote:
"Peter R." wrote:


Yes, I am going to maintain that premise because even more unthinkable,
someone was actually killed flying a GPS approach with nothing but a VFR
GPS.


Here's the accident report:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...23X05372&key=1

According to the accident report the plane impacted a tower just left of
the centerline but 450 below the published minimum height. Short of
WAAS no GPS will keep you from trouble if you don't follow the altitude
restrictions on the plate. I find it interesting that the report
mentions that a GPS was found in the plane but makes no mention of
charts on board. Could this have been a case of him not having the
plate but trying to fly the approach from his VFR GPS? If this is the
case the certification level of the GPS has no bearing in the crash.

John Theune wrote:

Peter R. wrote:

"Peter R." wrote:


Yes, I am going to maintain that premise because even more unthinkable,
someone was actually killed flying a GPS approach with nothing but a VFR
GPS.



Here's the accident report:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...23X05372&key=1

According to the accident report the plane impacted a tower just left of
the centerline but 450 below the published minimum height. Short of
WAAS no GPS will keep you from trouble if you don't follow the altitude
restrictions on the plate. I find it interesting that the report
mentions that a GPS was found in the plane but makes no mention of
charts on board. Could this have been a case of him not having the
plate but trying to fly the approach from his VFR GPS? If this is the
case the certification level of the GPS has no bearing in the crash.

That accident was the result of the pilot's failure to fly the correct
altitude. It had nothing to do with the type of GPS being used.

wrote:

That accident was the result of the pilot's failure to fly the correct
altitude. It had nothing to do with the type of GPS being used.

Perhaps, but the reason for my reference to the accident in this thread was
to support my point that the possibility exists for instrument-rated pilots
to use a VFR GPS as the only means of navigation. It is unquestionable
that this accident pilot did.


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Perhaps, but the reason for my reference to the accident in this thread was
to support my point that the possibility exists for instrument-rated pilots
to use a VFR GPS as the only means of navigation. It is unquestionable
that this accident pilot did.

It is =not= unquestionable that this accident pilot did. It is known
that a VFR GPS was found at the accident site. If a tuna sandwich was
found there, would that be incontrivertable evidence that the pilot was
relying solely on a tuna sandwich for IFR flight?

Jose
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Jose,

If a tuna sandwich was
found there, would that be incontrivertable evidence that the pilot was
relying solely on a tuna sandwich for IFR flight?


In that case, it would of course be incontrovertible that both occupants
had the fish and the accident was caused by that.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On 11/11/2005 08:33, Jose wrote:

Perhaps, but the reason for my reference to the accident in this thread was
to support my point that the possibility exists for instrument-rated pilots
to use a VFR GPS as the only means of navigation. It is unquestionable
that this accident pilot did.

It is =not= unquestionable that this accident pilot did. It is known
that a VFR GPS was found at the accident site. If a tuna sandwich was
found there, would that be incontrivertable evidence that the pilot was
relying solely on a tuna sandwich for IFR flight?

Perhaps not, but it might come in handy ;-)

Sorry, you're response (with which I agree 100%) just made me laugh.


Jose


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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

Jose wrote:

It is =not= unquestionable that this accident pilot did. It is known
that a VFR GPS was found at the accident site.

The pilot was cleared to fly a GPS approach into the airport and struck the
tower along the approach course. How else was he navigating, if not by the
VFR GPS?

Again, I agree that hitting the tower was not due to the navigation device
used.

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"Peter R." wrote in message
...

Again, I agree that hitting the tower was not due to the navigation device
used.


Then why did you bring this accident into the discussion?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Peter R." wrote in message
...

Again, I agree that hitting the tower was not due to the navigation device
used.


Then why did you bring this accident into the discussion?

Now you are trolling.

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Jose wrote:

Perhaps, but the reason for my reference to the accident in this
thread was
to support my point that the possibility exists for instrument-rated
pilots
to use a VFR GPS as the only means of navigation. It is unquestionable
that this accident pilot did.


It is =not= unquestionable that this accident pilot did. It is known
that a VFR GPS was found at the accident site. If a tuna sandwich was
found there, would that be incontrivertable evidence that the pilot was
relying solely on a tuna sandwich for IFR flight?

Jose
If he had asked for the Tuna Fish approach to his destination I would
agree. He asked for the GPS approach and the only GPS on board his
aircraft was the hand held.