Tomahawk/ Skipper

If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my personal
flight department would be these airplanes...
A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am already
typed in it.
A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed in
that too.)
A Helio Courier on floats
A Legacy Cub
A G36 Bonanza
A Pitts S2
A Skipper with a big engine
A Duchess with two bigger engines and floats

And I'd build a 50% scale A10 with a 7.63 minigun in the
nose.

BTW, the TBM700 was the Mooney 301, I was there for the
first public flight at Kerrville. Nice airplane.

I liked the report about the student who had the control
wheel break in his hand and then the CFI took control and
his wheel broke too. Many CFIs took to carrying ViseGrip
pliers to use as an emergency handle. The PA38 was an
adventure.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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wrote in message
oups.com...
| When I win the lottery I would buy a Skipper and put
an IO-320 or 360 engine on the front with a CS prop.
|
| You need to raise your sights a bit, Jim - MY "lottery
plane" is a
| TBM700C2, but then again, to each his own... : )
|
| Having learned in a Traumahawk 10 years ago, I can
personally attest to
| the low power and VERY study undercarraige, as there were
quite a few
| carrier landings those planes survived courtesy of yours
truly. It
| wasn't until after I finished the PPL that I started
reading about the
| stall/spin accidents in the PA-38. Yikes.
|

Fellow on ebay was auctioning off some flight time in a Tomahawk. I like the
way the Tomahawks and Skippers look . Thought it might be fun to fly one
before I get my SP cert. Use it to get some controlled airspace time in.
Thanks to everyone for all the info. Most definitely gets your attention if
your control falls apart in your hand! WOW talk about a bad feeling!

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:MS7ef.1147$QW2.4@dukeread08...
If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my personal
flight department would be these airplanes...
A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am already
typed in it.
A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed in
that too.)
A Helio Courier on floats
A Legacy Cub
A G36 Bonanza
A Pitts S2
A Skipper with a big engine
A Duchess with two bigger engines and floats

And I'd build a 50% scale A10 with a 7.63 minigun in the
nose.

BTW, the TBM700 was the Mooney 301, I was there for the
first public flight at Kerrville. Nice airplane.

I liked the report about the student who had the control
wheel break in his hand and then the CFI took control and
his wheel broke too. Many CFIs took to carrying ViseGrip
pliers to use as an emergency handle. The PA38 was an
adventure.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



wrote in message
oups.com...
| When I win the lottery I would buy a Skipper and put
an IO-320 or 360 engine on the front with a CS prop.
|
| You need to raise your sights a bit, Jim - MY "lottery
plane" is a
| TBM700C2, but then again, to each his own... : )
|
| Having learned in a Traumahawk 10 years ago, I can
personally attest to
| the low power and VERY study undercarraige, as there were
quite a few
| carrier landings those planes survived courtesy of yours
truly. It
| wasn't until after I finished the PPL that I started
reading about the
| stall/spin accidents in the PA-38. Yikes.
|

That problem was fixed rather quickly. But it really should
never have happened. The FAA has Part 39 rules for
Airworthiness Directives, laws that require fixes. You can
find ADs for any airplane at the FAA web site
here
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...e?OpenFrameSet


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



"W P Dixon" wrote in
message ...
| Fellow on ebay was auctioning off some flight time in a
Tomahawk. I like the
| way the Tomahawks and Skippers look . Thought it might be
fun to fly one
| before I get my SP cert. Use it to get some controlled
airspace time in.
| Thanks to everyone for all the info. Most definitely gets
your attention if
| your control falls apart in your hand! WOW talk about a
bad feeling!
|
| Patrick
| student SP
| aircraft structural mech
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:MS7ef.1147$QW2.4@dukeread08...
| If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my
personal
| flight department would be these airplanes...
| A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am
already
| typed in it.
| A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed
in
| that too.)
| A Helio Courier on floats
| A Legacy Cub
| A G36 Bonanza
| A Pitts S2
| A Skipper with a big engine
| A Duchess with two bigger engines and floats
|
| And I'd build a 50% scale A10 with a 7.63 minigun in the
| nose.
|
| BTW, the TBM700 was the Mooney 301, I was there for the
| first public flight at Kerrville. Nice airplane.
|
| I liked the report about the student who had the control
| wheel break in his hand and then the CFI took control
and
| his wheel broke too. Many CFIs took to carrying
ViseGrip
| pliers to use as an emergency handle. The PA38 was an
| adventure.
|
|
| --
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
| --
| The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| some support
| http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
|
|
|
| wrote in message
|
oups.com...
| | When I win the lottery I would buy a Skipper and
put
| an IO-320 or 360 engine on the front with a CS prop.
| |
| | You need to raise your sights a bit, Jim - MY "lottery
| plane" is a
| | TBM700C2, but then again, to each his own... : )
| |
| | Having learned in a Traumahawk 10 years ago, I can
| personally attest to
| | the low power and VERY study undercarraige, as there
were
| quite a few
| | carrier landings those planes survived courtesy of
yours
| truly. It
| | wasn't until after I finished the PPL that I started
| reading about the
| | stall/spin accidents in the PA-38. Yikes.
| |
|
|
|

Never flew the Skipper, but had some time in the Traumahawk. Two things
that I remember besides being horribly underpowered was my instructor
repeatedly warning me about secondary stalls in one and accelerated
stalls at high bank angles. From what I can remember from his warnings
is that the Trauma when it enters the secondary stall, becomes overly
sensitive to having a wing down and when the stall breaks, it
definately wanted to go on it's back and spin. At that point and when
you had an accelerated stall at at large bank angle, the tail would
start to waggle pretty hard and if you were looking at the correct
time, you would catch seeing the fin twist a considerable amount of
distance off of the centerline of the aircraft.

I will say that it had pretty robust gear for a light trainer. We got a
new one in from the east coast for our school and discovered after it
was there and in the shop for an inspection that the a/c had been
landed so hard that the tires left skidmarks on the bottoms of the
wings. Wasn't until after that that you could visually notice that it
had suffered a severely hard landing and bent the gear.

After flying one for about 10 hours I moved on up to a Warrior since it
had air conditioning and was only 10$ an hour more at that time.

Craig C.

Well I guess that explains the nickname Traumahawk! Shame to, it is a good
looking little bird IMO. Probably won't ever see a T-hawk II ..improved
version

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

wrote in message
oups.com...
Never flew the Skipper, but had some time in the Traumahawk. Two things
that I remember besides being horribly underpowered was my instructor
repeatedly warning me about secondary stalls in one and accelerated
stalls at high bank angles. From what I can remember from his warnings
is that the Trauma when it enters the secondary stall, becomes overly
sensitive to having a wing down and when the stall breaks, it
definately wanted to go on it's back and spin. At that point and when
you had an accelerated stall at at large bank angle, the tail would
start to waggle pretty hard and if you were looking at the correct
time, you would catch seeing the fin twist a considerable amount of
distance off of the centerline of the aircraft.

I will say that it had pretty robust gear for a light trainer. We got a
new one in from the east coast for our school and discovered after it
was there and in the shop for an inspection that the a/c had been
landed so hard that the tires left skidmarks on the bottoms of the
wings. Wasn't until after that that you could visually notice that it
had suffered a severely hard landing and bent the gear.

After flying one for about 10 hours I moved on up to a Warrior since it
had air conditioning and was only 10$ an hour more at that time.

Craig C.

Recently, posted:

Never flew the Skipper, but had some time in the Traumahawk. Two
things that I remember besides being horribly underpowered was my
instructor repeatedly warning me about secondary stalls in one and
accelerated stalls at high bank angles. From what I can remember from
his warnings is that the Trauma when it enters the secondary stall,
becomes overly sensitive to having a wing down and when the stall
breaks, it definately wanted to go on it's back and spin. At that
point and when you had an accelerated stall at at large bank angle,
the tail would start to waggle pretty hard and if you were looking at
the correct time, you would catch seeing the fin twist a considerable
amount of distance off of the centerline of the aircraft.

Hmm. Never experienced that kind of thing in the Tomahawk, even in a spin.
Perhaps it was because the one I flew was a later model? I think there's a
lot more myth than truth about these planes.

Neil

"Jim Macklin" wrote in news:MS7ef.1147
$QW2.4@dukeread08:

If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my personal
flight department would be these airplanes...
A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am already
typed in it.
A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed in
Snipola

What? Don't have a leather butt?

BTW, whatchya got? I have an '86 Sporster 883. Admitedly
not the bike for a long haul ride.

Brian
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Right now I'm walking, but when the lottery comes through,
I'll get an XL1200R and maybe a V-Rod with mid-mount
controls. Hey, I think arriving with the bike in an
airplane would be cool. Maybe land in town and taxi down
main street.

No roids, just old.


"Skywise" wrote in message
...
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in news:MS7ef.1147
| $QW2.4@dukeread08:
|
| If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my
personal
| flight department would be these airplanes...
| A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am
already
| typed in it.
| A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed
in
| Snipola
|
| What? Don't have a leather butt?
|
| BTW, whatchya got? I have an '86 Sporster 883. Admitedly
| not the bike for a long haul ride.
|
| Brian
| --
| http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy,
Skepticism
| Seismic FAQ:
http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
| Quake "predictions":
http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
| Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
| Supernews sucks - blocking google, usenet.com &
newsfeeds.com posts

Right now I'm walking, but when the lottery comes through,
I'll get an XL1200R and maybe a V-Rod with mid-mount
controls. Hey, I think arriving with the bike in an
airplane would be cool. Maybe land in town and taxi down
main street.

No roids, just old.

Bah. I'd rather die than be seen trailering my motorcycle to a rally.

Of course, that's prolly why I don't go to rallies anymore...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Right now I'm walking, but when the lottery comes through,
I'll get an XL1200R and maybe a V-Rod with mid-mount
controls. Hey, I think arriving with the bike in an
airplane would be cool. Maybe land in town and taxi down
main street.

No roids, just old.

Bah. I'd rather die than be seen trailering my motorcycle to a rally.

My one and only time to Sturgis, at the Glencoe campground, there was
some kind of country & western artist(s) entourage camped far across
the way from our tent with a couple big huge shiney custom painted
black and silver "greyhound" style tour buses. I don't know who they
were since I don't do C&W music, and there were no names painted on the
buses but one afternoon a big, very expensive-looking helicopter,
painted in the same exact black and silver color scheme as the tour
buses buzzed the campground and then landed next to where the buses
were parked. The occupants unloaded a minibike from the rear
seating/baggage area of the copter and one of them (presumably the main
artist or lead singer himself) started it up and rode around the buses
while the crowd that had gathered went abolutely nuts. That was in the
early 1990's a couple years before I ever got into aviation, but
looking back, there would've been enough room (with appropriate
planning of course) to have brought in and landed a Helio Courier with
a Harley strapped in the back! Now that would be a grand entrance to
the Sturgis event, and cool enough to be "socially acceptable" unlike
trailering your bike there.