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February 4th 04, 03:38 AM
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message . .. It doesn't say anything about VFR minimums. It says "instrument flight conditions", which are below VFR minimums. The FAA affirms that there are times when you can be technically above VFR minimums (not in the clouds and sufficient visibility), but the horizon and the ground is obscured and those qualify for actual instrument conditions, even though it's not bad enough to require IFR. Which is literally contrary to the FARs. 
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February 4th 04, 12:20 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Ron Natalie" wrote in message . .. It doesn't say anything about VFR minimums. It says "instrument flight conditions", which are below VFR minimums. The FAA affirms that there are times when you can be technically above VFR minimums (not in the clouds and sufficient visibility), but the horizon and the ground is obscured and those qualify for actual instrument conditions, even though it's not bad enough to require IFR. Which is literally contrary to the FARs. I don't think so. Think about being in multiple solid, sloping layers. No horizon at all. More than VFR viz, but definitely IFR. Harvey
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February 4th 04, 01:16 PM
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"Eclipsme" wrote in message
... Think about being in multiple solid, sloping layers. No horizon at all. More than VFR viz, but definitely IFR. That's self-contradictory, because the FAA explicitly defines "IFR conditions" as conditions that do NOT meet the VFR visibility requirements (AIM Pilot/Controller Glossary). --Gary Harvey
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February 4th 04, 06:53 PM
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"Gary Drescher" wrote...
That's self-contradictory, because the FAA explicitly defines "IFR conditions" as conditions that do NOT meet the VFR visibility requirements (AIM Pilot/Controller Glossary). .. . .which isn't regulatory in nature (i.e., not a part of the FARs).
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#5
February 4th 04, 07:02 PM
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"John R Weiss" wrote in message news:rcbUb.91085$U%5.470879@attbi_s03... "Gary Drescher" wrote... That's self-contradictory, because the FAA explicitly defines "IFR conditions" as conditions that do NOT meet the VFR visibility requirements (AIM Pilot/Controller Glossary). . . .which isn't regulatory in nature (i.e., not a part of the FARs). And it makes no difference because the rule says "instrument conditions" not IFR conditions.
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#6
February 4th 04, 08:31 PM
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message . .. And it makes no difference because the rule says "instrument conditions" not IFR conditions. Same thing.
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#7
February 4th 04, 08:31 PM
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"John R Weiss" wrote in message news:rcbUb.91085$U%5.470879@attbi_s03... . . .which isn't regulatory in nature (i.e., not a part of the FARs). This is: Title 14--Aeronautics and Space CHAPTER I--FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PART 1--DEFINITIONS AND ABBREVIATIONS § 1.1 General definitions. IFR conditions means weather conditions below the minimum for flight under visual flight rules.
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#8
February 4th 04, 08:30 PM
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"Eclipsme" wrote in message ... I don't think so. Think about being in multiple solid, sloping layers. No horizon at all. More than VFR viz, but definitely IFR. Not according to the regulation.
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#9
February 4th 04, 06:53 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote...
The FAA affirms that there are times when you can be technically above VFR minimums (not in the clouds and sufficient visibility), but the horizon and the ground is obscured and those qualify for actual instrument conditions, even though it's not bad enough to require IFR. Which is literally contrary to the FARs. How is it contrary to the FARs (and which ones)? The weather is not subject to FARs, and neither is an individual pilot's real-time ability to maintain level flight -- he either CAN do so by means of outside references, or he CANNOT; and that may change dynamically.
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#10
February 4th 04, 08:35 PM
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"John R Weiss" wrote in message news:qcbUb.91084$U%5.469867@attbi_s03... How is it contrary to the FARs (and which ones)? The weather is not subject to FARs, and neither is an individual pilot's real-time ability to maintain level flight -- he either CAN do so by means of outside references, or he CANNOT; and that may change dynamically. Title 14--Aeronautics and Space CHAPTER I--FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PART 1--DEFINITIONS AND ABBREVIATIONS § 1.1 General definitions. IFR conditions means weather conditions below the minimum for flight under visual flight rules.
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