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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
wrote in message news:cjlgf.4216$pF.687@fed1read04... Not so, Steve. It can cause control problems and certainly adversely affect an autoland. That is why your handbook contains a caveat about such approaches. Approach couplers and autoland systems are weather independent.~ You're mistaken. There's no need for approach couplers and autoland systems when the weather is good. It's not a problem because the pilots can see. Well, okay, Steve. When I flew that equipment we often did autolands in good weather as part of the continuing certification of the system for CAT III operations. And, an air carrier flight could be going into a non-towered airport using the ILS when the weather is "iffy" VFR. The "need" to use couplers and perhaps autoland systems is determined by the carrier and it POI. |
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![]() "Newps" wrote in message . .. The airlines will always fly the ILS if there is one up and running. They are required to. Do you suppose you could cite that requirement? I've known many an airline flight to do a visual approach when there was a perfectly good ILS approach available. |
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Newps wrote:
The airlines will always fly the ILS if there is one up and running. They are required to. Is this a FAR requirement or airline's operational procedural requirement? -- Peter |
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![]() "Peter R." wrote in message ... Is this a FAR requirement or airline's operational procedural requirement? Neither. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Peter R." wrote in message ... Is this a FAR requirement or airline's operational procedural requirement? Neither. 91.129 requires that the ILS be followed at a Class D airport. It does not require that the full procedure be flown. If cleared for a visual to an ILS runway, for example, the 121 crew must have the ILS tuned and identified and use it once lined up with the runway. Further, this 91.129 requirement is included in every carrier's flight operations policy manual (a POI-approved document) to be applied for any runway end with an operating ILS, Class D or not. |
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![]() wrote in message news:rbwgf.4658$pF.1342@fed1read04... 91.129 requires that the ILS be followed at a Class D airport. It does not require that the full procedure be flown. If cleared for a visual to an ILS runway, for example, the 121 crew must have the ILS tuned and identified and use it once lined up with the runway. The requirement in FAR 91.129 is that a large or turbine-powered airplane approaching to land on a runway served by an ILS must fly at an altitude at or above the glide slope. The claim by Newps was; "The airlines will always fly the ILS if there is one up and running. They are required to." |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
wrote in message news:rbwgf.4658$pF.1342@fed1read04... 91.129 requires that the ILS be followed at a Class D airport. It does not require that the full procedure be flown. If cleared for a visual to an ILS runway, for example, the 121 crew must have the ILS tuned and identified and use it once lined up with the runway. The requirement in FAR 91.129 is that a large or turbine-powered airplane approaching to land on a runway served by an ILS must fly at an altitude at or above the glide slope. The claim by Newps was; "The airlines will always fly the ILS if there is one up and running. They are required to." I didn't infer that he meant the full procedure. But, perhaps he did. Newps? |
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![]() Peter R. wrote: Newps wrote: The airlines will always fly the ILS if there is one up and running. They are required to. Is this a FAR requirement or airline's operational procedural requirement? Both. The FAA makes sure the airline puts it into their ops specs. If there is an operating ILS to the runway that they are landing on they have to use it. If a controller clears pretty much any jet with no restrictions on the size of the pattern almost without fail they will turn final at the outer marker. |
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![]() "Newps" wrote in message ... Both. The FAA makes sure the airline puts it into their ops specs. If there is an operating ILS to the runway that they are landing on they have to use it. If a controller clears pretty much any jet with no restrictions on the size of the pattern almost without fail they will turn final at the outer marker. Please cite the applicable FAR. |
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