Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade

"David Megginson" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

I was thinking about flying the family up to NYC to see the Thanksgiving
Day
Parade.

Anyone recommend an airport to fly in to?

IFR or VFR?

If you're coming in VFR, it's nice to pick an airport on the same side
of the class B as you are, all other things being equal. I come from
the north, so it's trivially easy to get into Teterboro (KTEB) or
Caldwell (KCDW) VFR. IFR, you can get some funky routings no matter
what you do. You'll be coming from the south, so I don't know what
would work best. Linden? (I've never tried it).

I've found that Republic (KFRG), Caldwell, and Teterboro all have
similar costs for tie-down and fuel. From Republic, you get a lift in
the FBO van to the LIRR station and take the train into Penn Station;
from Teterboro, you take an expensive taxi/limo ride or a cheap bus to
the Port Authority. From Caldwell, an expensive car/taxi is
pretty-much your only realistic choice.

Personally, I plan to stick with Teterboro from now on, because I fly
in from Canada, and Teterboro has customs onsite at Atlantic Aviation
(so I don't have to make an extra stop in Massena). It's on the wrong
side of the class B for you, though.

Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?

John Doe wrote:

Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?

It's about an hour. Trains run roughly every hour, but I understand
that during evening rush hour, it's a longer wait to get into the city.
So figure more than two hours from landing to midtown. It's a nice,
quiet little town, though, with a mall right beside the airport (I
didn't go inside).

Someone else wrote about liking to talk to ATC. I like to talk to ATC
as well -- I fly out of what would be a class B airport in the U.S. --
but when you call NY approach from the north flying into KCDW or KTEB,
they'll just tell you to descend and remain clear of class B anyway.


All the best,


David

"David Megginson" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?

It's about an hour. Trains run roughly every hour, but I understand
that during evening rush hour, it's a longer wait to get into the city.
So figure more than two hours from landing to midtown. It's a nice,
quiet little town, though, with a mall right beside the airport (I
didn't go inside).

Someone else wrote about liking to talk to ATC. I like to talk to ATC
as well -- I fly out of what would be a class B airport in the U.S. --
but when you call NY approach from the north flying into KCDW or KTEB,
they'll just tell you to descend and remain clear of class B anyway.



Am I reading the chart right, As far as the class B airspace goes, if I come
right up the coast and stay below 1500' can I thread the airspace between
jfk and newark and fly right over 'ground zero' on my way to TEB?

Is the NYC ADIZ no longer in effect?

John Doe wrote:

Is the NYC ADIZ no longer in effect?

Nope, fortunately it went away within months of the 9/11 terrorism act.

--
Peter

John Doe wrote:

Am I reading the chart right, As far as the class B airspace goes, if I come
right up the coast and stay below 1500' can I thread the airspace between
jfk and newark and fly right over 'ground zero' on my way to TEB?

Not exactly. The class-B floor dips to 1100' over NY harbor, so you need to
watch out for that. As for the rest, you have to maintain clearance from
buildings and such, so you can't safely fly "right over" anything except the
harbor, the rivers and the bridges unless you get clearance into the B.

George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.

George Patterson wrote:

The class-B floor dips to 1100' over NY harbor, so you need to
watch out for that.

Be sure you're flying with a terminal chart or - even better - a helicopter
chart. Otherwise, it is too easy to miss one of those little chunks where
the airspace drops.

However, what is being described is a common route for tourists and
helicopters: the "Hudson VFR Cooridor" or "Exclusion Zone". I've taken it
north to TEB's airspace, and then made a left turn (contacting TEB tower,
of course) for a transition en route to CDW. No problem.

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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George Patterson wrote:

The class-B floor dips to 1100' over NY harbor, so you need to
watch out for that.

Be sure you're flying with a terminal chart or - even better - a
helicopter
chart. Otherwise, it is too easy to miss one of those little chunks where
the airspace drops.

The NY TAC has a handy helicopter-chart inset on the back.

--Gary

Andrew Gideon wrote:

However, what is being described is a common route for tourists and
helicopters: the "Hudson VFR Cooridor" or "Exclusion Zone".

No, he indicated that he wanted to fly "right over ground zero." That's on land
and east of the corridor. Sounded to me like he wants to fly over lower
Manhattan at just under 1500'.

Hanging a left from the exclusion to head for CDW would not be a problem IMO,
though I tend to go a bit further north and avoid TEB airspace. I would be a bit
nervous about trying to contact TEB from the exclusion with intentions of
landing there. I think that's cutting the timing a bit fine. I think it would be
easier to come in through the class-B.

Roger getting the terminal chart. That's a near-necessity for that run.

George Patterson
We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop
playing.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

Am I reading the chart right, As far as the class B airspace goes, if I
come right up the coast and stay below 1500' can I thread the airspace
between jfk and newark and fly right over 'ground zero' on my way to TEB?

Not exactly. The class-B floor dips to 1100' over NY harbor, so you need
to watch out for that. As for the rest, you have to maintain clearance
from buildings and such, so you can't safely fly "right over" anything
except the harbor, the rivers and the bridges unless you get clearance
into the B.

Yup, and if you're not up in the Class B, you can't always fly right over
all the bridges--you have to avoid coming within 500' of the towers.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:

Yup, and if you're not up in the Class B, you can't always fly right over
all the bridges--you have to avoid coming within 500' of the towers.

You can clear the decks of the narrows bridge and the GWB with no problems if
you move over near the center of the span. I suspect a lot of us get closer to
the towers of the GWB than we should.

George Patterson
We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop
playing.