Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade

From what I've heard, FRG is much more spamcan-friendly than TEB. Small
planes are second-class citizens compared to the biz jets at TEB. If you
park at either Long Island Jet Center or Atlantic Aviation, they will take
you to the Farmingdale Long Island Rail Road train station 5 minutes away.
Contrary to what Dave M wrote, an evening trip TO NYC is not rush hour. Even
if it was, the trains operate on a schedule and they're on-time about 95% of
the time so a delay should not be expected. Delays due to other reasons are
usually 5-10 minutes. Actually, trains run every 20 minutes during rush hour
as opposed to once an hour at other times (off-peak) so it's probably better
during rush hour (albeit a bit crowded).

The actual train ride is about 55 minutes and it will take you into Penn
Station like the trains coming from NJ. I would either go to FRG or MMU in
NJ. Weather looks dicey, use caution.

Marco Leon



"John Doe" wrote in message
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"David Megginson" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

I was thinking about flying the family up to NYC to see the
Thanksgiving
Day
Parade.

Anyone recommend an airport to fly in to?

IFR or VFR?

If you're coming in VFR, it's nice to pick an airport on the same side
of the class B as you are, all other things being equal. I come from
the north, so it's trivially easy to get into Teterboro (KTEB) or
Caldwell (KCDW) VFR. IFR, you can get some funky routings no matter
what you do. You'll be coming from the south, so I don't know what
would work best. Linden? (I've never tried it).

I've found that Republic (KFRG), Caldwell, and Teterboro all have
similar costs for tie-down and fuel. From Republic, you get a lift in
the FBO van to the LIRR station and take the train into Penn Station;
from Teterboro, you take an expensive taxi/limo ride or a cheap bus to
the Port Authority. From Caldwell, an expensive car/taxi is
pretty-much your only realistic choice.

Personally, I plan to stick with Teterboro from now on, because I fly
in from Canada, and Teterboro has customs onsite at Atlantic Aviation
(so I don't have to make an extra stop in Massena). It's on the wrong
side of the class B for you, though.

Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?






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Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:

From what I've heard, FRG is much more spamcan-friendly than TEB. Small
planes are second-class citizens compared to the biz jets at TEB.

Not true. If you respond promptly to ATC calls, keep your speed up on
final, and know the taxiways and departure procedures at Teterboro, the
controllers and FBOs will give your spamcan the same excellent service as
the corporate jets.

After flying into and out of there every week during the summer of 2004, my
only complaints were the fees, the dirt that accumulated on my aircraft
every week from having to be tied down outside, and the occasional longer
delays getting out of there IFR.

--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:

After flying into and out of there every week during the summer of 2004,
my only complaints were the fees

The fees have gone up since. ATC doesn't care, but the people charging for
space on the ground are rather unfriendly to small GA aircraft. In a way,
it makes sense. If we take up the same space as 1/4 of a jet they want to
make the same income as 1/4 of a jet.

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:

The fees have gone up since.

Millionair's daily fee at TEB jumped from $30 to $45 when I was flying
there back in 2004. Based on that earlier post showing the fees at all the
FBOs at TEB, it appears it hasn't gone up since. Fuel, on the other hand,
most likely jumped 50% since that time.

--
Peter

Andrew Gideon wrote:

The fees have gone up since. ATC doesn't care, but the people charging for
space on the ground are rather unfriendly to small GA aircraft. In a way,
it makes sense. If we take up the same space as 1/4 of a jet they want to
make the same income as 1/4 of a jet.

My experience at Atlantic at KTEB in March 2005 was just the opposite.
The line guy directed our Warrior to the place where we would meet
customs, then followed us in a minivan, waited for customs to finish,
led us to the tiedown in the minivan (with my family already in the
van), then drove us all to the FBO. Given that the tie-down was,
maybe, 50 meters from the FBO, I found that pretty excessive, but I
certainly cannot complain about being ignored. I managed to talk them
out of driving us back to the plane for the trip home.


All the best,


David

"David Megginson" wrote in message
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Andrew Gideon wrote:

The fees have gone up since. ATC doesn't care, but the people charging
for
space on the ground are rather unfriendly to small GA aircraft. In a
way,
it makes sense. If we take up the same space as 1/4 of a jet they want
to
make the same income as 1/4 of a jet.

My experience at Atlantic at KTEB in March 2005 was just the opposite.
The line guy directed our Warrior to the place where we would meet
customs, then followed us in a minivan, waited for customs to finish,
led us to the tiedown in the minivan (with my family already in the
van), then drove us all to the FBO. Given that the tie-down was,
maybe, 50 meters from the FBO, I found that pretty excessive, but I
certainly cannot complain about being ignored. I managed to talk them
out of driving us back to the plane for the trip home.


I talked to all of them on the phone and they all seemed just as eager to
get my business as the next FBO. With that being said, I did think that
Atlantic had the best customer relations over the phone and was looking
forward to giving them a try.

John Doe wrote:

I talked to all of them on the phone and they all seemed just as eager to
get my business as the next FBO.

Well, I'm surprised but pleased.

- Andrew