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Michael wrote: I find it just a
bit surprising you got that clearance in the first place - around here, short IFR legs in the close vicinity of a class B are almost always by RADAR vectors. Yes, it's pretty typical. Sometimes you get cleared "radar vectors direct", but much more often you get something like what I got. In fact, this particular clearance is common enough that I use as an exercise for people learning our GPS. Something like "CMK CMK275R intercept SAX039R SAX" is one of the few things that's actually easier to execute with dual VORs than with a GPS. I agree with you that if you lost comm right off the ground, direct CMK then as cleared would make sense. The more interesting scenario is what happens if you check in with Departure (as we did) and he just leaves you on the SID heading with no further instructions for a while. At some point, you're 5 miles from SAX and 30 miles from CMK, and it obviously doesn't make any sense to double back any more. It's unclear where the dividing line is between those two extremes. I don't think there's any right answer to this, it's just an interesting exercise in PIC decision making ability to figure out what the right thing to do is. |
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Roy Smith wrote:
I don't think there's any right answer to this, it's just an interesting exercise in PIC decision making ability to figure out what the right thing to do is. At least you've a fix towards which you can fly. A common clearance out of CDW towards the west is "180 vectors Lanna V30...". This is even given to aircraft /U...which would find it tough to fly direct to Lanna. In practice, we'd fly "SBJ Lanna..." but I still find it an odd clearance. In fact, I'd go so far as to call it one of my pet peeves regarding routing. Similarly odd is a clearance like "STW direct KCDW" or "COATE direct KCDW". Neither STW nor COATE are initial approach fixs, so what should be done? In RADAR and COMM, one is vectored to final. But in a communication failure? Fly to SAX (which is an IAF for CDW's LOC22)? [Assuming IMC, of course.] - Andrew |
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At some point, you're 5 miles from SAX and 30 miles from CMK,
and it obviously doesn't make any sense to double back any more. I'm not sure it ever made sense to double back to CMK. That's not really the point. The regulation is clear - your next fix is CMK. I'm not saying that going to CMK is the right thing to do, especially if you are 5 miles from SAX - merely that it's what the regulation calls for. Sometimes the regulation is just wrong. I don't think there's any right answer to this, it's just an interesting exercise in PIC decision making ability to figure out what the right thing to do is. Well, I sort of agree. There really isn't one exact right answer, but there are reasonable answers and unreasonable ones. One of those unresonable answers involves actually following the rules when you're 5 miles from SAX. Part of PIC decision making in the real world is knowing when to bend the rules in a non-emergency situation, and knowing what you can get away with. If you talk to an actual practicing center or approach controller, he will tell you that in the event of lost comm, the best thing for everyone is for you to get on the ground by the most expeditious route, since they can't count on you doing anything in particular (more likely than not your lost comm is associated with a more serious emergency) and are going to sterilize the airspace around you anyway. In the age of RADAR capable of seeing primary targets, that's the sensible course of action. 91.185 hasn't kept pace. It doesn't need to. Lost comm due to equipment failure is a rare event these days, and lost comm due to equipment failure not associated with another emergency in IMC has got to be so rare it's not worth the effort of rewriting the rules. We torment our instrument students with the minutiae of lost comm rules, but in reality that's strictly a checkride exercise. So forget about following the letter of the rules - do something sensible. Remember - no action is foolproof. A fed who wants to get you will get you. One who isn't after your hide will accept that you did something reasonable. Backtracking 40 miles and tying up the system with your NORDO self for an extra 45 minutes isn't reasonable, even if that's what the rule calls for (and clearly it does). Let's say you're changing radios on your audio panel, and due to crappy soldering and decades of vibration, the switch comes off in your hand. Everything else still works, but with no audio panel you can't use either comm. No real emergency - the fan is still turning, the juice is still flowing, and the nav is still pointing. If you've established comm with ATC, climbed to your final altitude, and were left on your DP heading, there's very little chance the controller had any intention of ever sending you back to CMK. He's either going to send you direct by RADAR vectors, or have you join the route somewhere in the middle (or reroute you). I would suggest that a reasonable thing to do is look at your position relative to your cleared route, and draw a reasonable intercept course from your present position to your route. We generally consider 30 degrees to be a reasonable intercept. If you can make that work, that's what makes sense. If you're too close to SAX to make that work, you need to go direct SAX. That's how the controller would put you back on the route if he had to (due to transponder problems, for example) and that's what you ought to do. However, if there's a flight restriction area that prompted the circuitous clearance, be damn sure your course for getting back on the cleared route avoids it. If the only way you can assure this is by backtracking to CMK, well, that's what you do. It's not an exact right answer, but it does give you some reasonable guidance on what to do. It's what makes sense in the real world. It may not play so well on an IFR oral. Michael |
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