I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!

City Father wrote:
Dear Sir/Mr.Fetters:

Being the astute business man that you are/were...
Do you have any future manufacturing plans for Excesior Springs?
There are many folks that would just love to see you here again.

Although we have a new McDonalds, Arbys, an Applebee's and a huge
Wal-Mart expansion underway.... Excelsior Springs never had anybody
close to your reputation, except maybe, the late great Jesse James.

City Father,
Excelsior Springs, MO 64024


Dear coward that hides behind a fake name.

I, like Jesse James, don't hid behind a mask to obscure my identity, as
you do.

I, unlike that killer and cutthroat Jesse James, have the courage to
subject myself to the public and take whatever undeserved ridicule that
is dished out by losers like you and some of the others, and defend
myself with only facts and professionalism.

I, unlike those failures, back stabbers and thieves Rick Stitt and Joe
Rinke, make my own way in life and don't feed off the hard earned
efforts of others.

I have never taken a penny out of Revolution Helicopter outside of a
meager paycheck. I am not a thief as you tried to portray me.

But on the other hand, you are definitely and undeniably what you are,
and that is a nameless, shameful, cowardly character assassin.


Dennis Fetters

Designer of;
Air Command 1/plcs Gyroplanes
Air Command 2/plcs Gyroplanes
Mini-500 1/Plcs Helicopter
Voyager-500 2/Plcs Helicopter
Excalibur 5/Plcs Turbine Helicopter
Star-Lite-A VTUAV Helicopter
Star-Lite-B VTUAV Helicopter

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:49:57 GMT, Dennis Fetters
wrote:

City Father wrote:
Dear Sir/Mr.Fetters:

Being the astute business man that you are/were...
Do you have any future manufacturing plans for Excesior Springs?
There are many folks that would just love to see you here again.

Although we have a new McDonalds, Arbys, an Applebee's and a huge
Wal-Mart expansion underway.... Excelsior Springs never had anybody
close to your reputation, except maybe, the late great Jesse James.

City Father,
Excelsior Springs, MO 64024


Dear coward that hides behind a fake name.
Dennis Fetters

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Fake name?
Guilty.

Me a coward?
Not guilty.

You're waaay too easy, Dennis.



Barnyard BOb - aka City Father

Fake Name, now I'm guilty --- just a test.
to see the header. Same laptop, same browser, same ip, some simple
spoofing to see how the header looks.

Posted by rkey on web from powerbook laptop
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Path:
g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz .googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: "RKey"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt
Subject: (Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
Date: 6 Dec 2005 04:55:35 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 3
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.203.6.11
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1133873740 25338 127.0.0.1 (6 Dec 2005
12:55:40 GMT)
X-Complaints-To:
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:55:40 +0000 (UTC)
User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O;
en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To:
Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com;
posting-host=216.203.6.11;
posting-account=dsV8YQ0AAACKXf8oFSmrcSh_Rvu1LQlN

Again by rkey on web from powerbook laptop
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Path:
g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa .googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From:
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt
Subject: (Mini-500)I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!
Date: 7 Dec 2005 11:49:47 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 4
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.162.101.116
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1133984993 15322 127.0.0.1 (7 Dec 2005
19:49:53 GMT)
X-Complaints-To:
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:49:53 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To:
User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To:
Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com;
posting-host=70.162.101.116;
posting-account=An4-4w0AAADToU769co3UbEZvnNdsQB2

Both post are still me, both post are done from OS X on Powerbook.
Accounts are differrent and NNTP-Posting-Host is different. I guess
this proves NNTP-Posting-Host may or may not be proof

Too lazy to see how to modify message ID, of course FireFox makes
browser spoofing easy

Since I'm using a web front end NNTP-Posting-Host means nothing as
proof of ID.

To get a different NNTP posting is very easy, but to get the same is
hard. I challenge you to 'spoof' MY NNTP with your name and see if you
can show that you are posting from MY NNTP. That will be the test. I
can get a new NNTP all day long, but this one is unigue to my computer.

To proove that Planeman spoofed Denise, You must spoof me with same
NNTP. IF you can't than I rest my case.

Flyingmonk wrote:

To get a different NNTP posting is very easy, but to get the same is
hard. I challenge you to 'spoof' MY NNTP with your name and see if you
can show that you are posting from MY NNTP. That will be the test. I
can get a new NNTP all day long, but this one is unigue to my computer.

To proove that Planeman spoofed Denise, You must spoof me with same
NNTP. IF you can't than I rest my case.


Well, I'm not questioning is hacking ability, but saying that because
one person can't do this implies that it can't be done is just
ridiculous. I can't perform open heart surgery either, so I guess that
means to you that it can't be done, right?

I'm beginning to appreciate Dennis' frustration now.


Matt

Matt wrote:
Well, I'm not questioning is hacking ability, but saying that because
one person can't do this implies that it can't be done is just
ridiculous. I can't perform open heart surgery either, so I guess that
means to you that it can't be done, right?

No, not at all. My question is WHY would someone named Planeman,
posting from a DIFFERENT email address, would spoof Denise's NNTP and
post with a diferent name to support Denise's arguments? If Planeman
wanted to support Denise, he can just go right ahead and support him.
Why would he need to spoof denise's NNTP? Why would Planeman go
through the trouble of spoofing and yet posted under a different name?

I'm beginning to appreciate Dennis' frustration now.

Sorry that I frustate you Matt, but I never meant to frustrate YOU in
particular. Normally I'm very docile, He is probably one of very VERY
few people that gets me worked up.