Someone left a mess at CGX !

In article %Iskf.600200$_o.417202@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

EPA doesn't own any old, abandoned gas stations (with leaky underground
tanks), but they're responsible for cleaning them up, right?

even when the owner is known?

--
Bob Noel
New NHL? what a joke

Jay Honeck wrote:

EPA doesn't own any old, abandoned gas stations (with leaky underground
tanks), but they're responsible for cleaning them up, right?

I don't think so. Mainly they force the owners to clean them up.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Meigs Field is a man made island created in the 1930s. Who knows where
all the fill came from so it isn't surprising that contamination can be
found deep in the soil.

Let's be honest. There was a time in the not too distant past where we
were not that careful about spills at airports, railroad yards, truck
depots, service stations, tank farms, etc. etc.

"kontiki" wrote in message
...
wrote:
The chemicals are the by-product of aircraft emissions, refueling
operations, and spills that occurred over 50 years, and they were
found
up to 9 feet below ground.

If you dug down into any number of 50 year-old (or greater) backyards
you's probably be shocked at the concotion of contaminats to be found.
I would bet any money that the amounts of contaminats from various
airports are but a blip in the noise level compared to all the
contaminats
from homes and businesses across the country.

But why inject logic in to the maelstrom.

"k" == kontiki writes:

k If you dug down into any number of 50 year-old (or greater)
k backyards you's probably be shocked at the concotion of
k contaminats to be found. I would bet any money that the
k amounts of contaminats from various airports are but a blip in
k the noise level compared to all the contaminats from homes and
k businesses across the country.

k But why inject logic in to the maelstrom.

"Why inject logic"...we don't know, since you didn't inject logic, but
rather fairly wild, unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture.

"sfb" wrote

Let's be honest. There was a time in the not too distant past where we
were not that careful about spills at airports, railroad yards, truck
depots, service stations, tank farms, etc. etc.

Shoot, I've seen grading equipment leaking hydraulic fluid by the gallons,
and still keep on working. It could be some of that, too.
--
Jim in NC

Bob Fry wrote:
"Why inject logic"...we don't know, since you didn't inject logic, but
rather fairly wild, unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture.

Forgive me... I wasn't aware that you fell off of a turnip truck last night.

EPA doesn't own any old, abandoned gas stations (with leaky underground
tanks), but they're responsible for cleaning them up, right?

even when the owner is known?

Most of the owners were little mom & pop gas stations that couldn't afford
the construction costs, and went bankrupt, leaving we tax-payers to pay for
this boondoggle.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

JGrove: You've got it all wrong. The positive economic impact of the
environmental mediation project could be huge! Think of the jobs.

Ultimate cleanup costs should be incorporated into the economic "benefit"
studies that are thrown around everytime a GA airport comes under
scrutiny.

by "Jay Honeck" jjhoneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 4, 2005 at 02:43 AM


Worst case: Aviation gets another black
eye, and the FAA ends up being liable for "contamination" at every
airport
in America.

I wouldn't think that a likely scenario since the FAA doesn't
run/operate/own
any airports.

I hope you're right, but.... The FAA is the over-arching, controlling
agency here.

EPA doesn't own any old, abandoned gas stations (with leaky underground
tanks), but they're responsible for cleaning them up, right?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Actually EPA is NOT responsible. They (like the FAA) only set
regulations. In a superfund cleanup, Potentially Responsible Parties
(PRPs) are identified, and then sued for the cleanup costs. Litigation
usually goes on for years.

In this case, I would expect the owners (city of Chicago) and businesses
responsible for causing the pollution (e.g. FBOs) to be sued.

Its not an anti-GA thing at all. Other highly polluting industries have
been named as PRPs in many Superfund suits.

As usual, I can count on the AOPA to set matters straight!

Here, on the GA Serving America website, is the straight dope. You see,
the planes are responsible for PROTECTING "Mother Earth" against pollution
from ships, for example. We need to put many more small planes in the air
to restore a pristeen environment!



http://www.gaservingamerica.com/also...ironmental.htm