Someone left a mess at CGX !

Storm water overflow does not cause beaches to be closed. Raw sewage does.
You don't need to see solid matter for the sewage to be present.

Awh, what's a little e-coli between friends?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Here, you can bring oil in to about any auto parts store, in anything you
want to bring it in. How can that be bad?

Heck, my A&P mechanic has a big barrel that he collects everyone's used oil
in. It's handy, and easy.

And someone *buys* it from him.

IMO, THAT is true "ecology" -- not the government-mandated nonsense that
only encourages everyone to dump their used oil in the storm sewer.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

by Skywise Dec 8, 2005 at 10:17 PM


"Skylune" wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

by Rachel fakename@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 6, 2005 at 07:30 PM

.
yawn I can't believe some people find GA-bashing to be exciting.

I find it amazing that people spend tens of thousands of dollars to fly
small planes in circles, or in search of hamburgers, for the thrill of
it.


To each her own, I guess, until they intrude on my rights.

By that logic, you are intruding on my right to enjoy this news
group without snivelling little brats bitching about every thing
GA. Should I sue you?

That would be up to you. It would be interesting to hear what legal
statute you think I am violating.

People in this country have a right to express opinions and disagree.
(Not sure if this is well understood in Kah-lee-fornya, though.) People
even have a right to create weird web sites that ramble on about esoteric
stuff like lasers. Sue if you'd like.

by Rachel Dec 8, 2005 at 04:50 PM


Skylune wrote:
by Rachel fakename@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 6, 2005 at 07:30 PM


.
yawn I can't believe some people find GA-bashing to be exciting.

I find it amazing that people spend tens of thousands of dollars to fly
small planes in circles, or in search of hamburgers, for the thrill of
it.


To each her own, I guess, until they intrude on my rights.

Who is flying tens of thousands of dollars to fly small planes in search
of hamburgers? Maybe you shouldn't make assumptions about my piloting
experience.

By the way, stop driving your car. The emmissions are bad for me.

Ralph from the Honeymooners: "Rachel, you've come back!"

Listen, I have nothing against GA per se. I just think regs concerning
noise abatement need to be established. If I drive a 1000 feet from your
residence and I make a racket, your state or locality probably has local
noise statutues that would cause me to be ticketed. Doesn't matter if I'm
in a Fed Ex truck delivering supplies or a motorcycle or a car.
Ambulances, police cars and the like are generally exempted, for obvious
reasons.

GA planes are completely exempted from any noise restrictions. Some
people think that state or local noise statutes should not have an
exclusive exemption for GA.

And in this case the AOPA hides behind FAA "protections," while the FAA
itself is not really interested in noise abatement from GA. After trying
to negotiate a solution with some of the flight schools and pleasure
craft, and getting nothing but push back and FAR mumbo jumbo, some people
have become fed up.

I bet you wouldn't like it if I could legally ride a Harley with straight
pipes 1000' from your residence at any hour of the day or night. It's as
simple as that.

Like you intrude on everyone else's rights, you whack-job?

1) Your jet-ski outside my boathouse day in and out?
2) Your snow mobile racing through the forest day in and out?
3) Your leaf blower every Sunday morning at 7:30?
4) Your dirt bike racing thoughout the neighborhood day in and out?

Your **** bothers us, SkyDip****, and so we get to bother you with our
flying about in circles.

Jesus, you are a horses ass.


On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:20:55 -0500, "Skylune"
wrote:

by Rachel fakename@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 6, 2005 at 07:30 PM

.
yawn I can't believe some people find GA-bashing to be exciting.

I find it amazing that people spend tens of thousands of dollars to fly
small planes in circles, or in search of hamburgers, for the thrill of it.


To each her own, I guess, until they intrude on my rights.

by Terry Dec 9, 2005 at 12:42 PM


Like you intrude on everyone else's rights, you whack-job?

1) Your jet-ski outside my boathouse day in and out?
2) Your snow mobile racing through the forest day in and out?
3) Your leaf blower every Sunday morning at 7:30?
4) Your dirt bike racing thoughout the neighborhood day in and out?

Your **** bothers us, SkyDip****, and so we get to bother you with our
flying about in circles.

Jesus, you are a horses ass.

I try!

1. I don't own a jet ski, but these are heavily regulated in terms of
noise. Many ponds/lakes prohibit them.

2. I don't own a snowmobile, but these are heavily regulated, and are
subject to community noise ordinances.

3. My leaf blower is never on at 7:30, because (a) it would annoy people
and (b) community noise ordinances prohibit it.

4. I don't own a dirt bike, but if I did it would be subject to community
noise ordinances, and if it were not street legal, would be seized by the
police if the rider were riding on public roads.

What are the legal penalties for making noise at 7:30 am (or earlier) with
a small plane? (Oh, none.)

You attack the messenger with the best of them. Of course you are
completely clueless, and can only call me names.

Perhaps the new AOPA guide on how to talk to the media will provide you
with better information to rebut my argument. But I doubt it.

Skylune wrote:
by Rachel Dec 8, 2005 at 04:50 PM

snip

GA planes are completely exempted from any noise restrictions. Some
people think that state or local noise statutes should not have an
exclusive exemption for GA.

Really. We are? I checked the ordinances for the cities that I fly out
of and they do not exempt aircraft of any type. Again, check your facts.

I bet you wouldn't like it if I could legally ride a Harley with straight
pipes 1000' from your residence at any hour of the day or night. It's as
simple as that.

You're right, it is very simple. I'd call the cops, same as I do on my
neighbor with the stereo. Why can't you do the same? No matter what
you claim, aircraft are not exempt from noise restrictions. If your
city claims they can't do anything about aircraft noise, that's a
problem to take up with them.

Oh, well, no use arguing with a troll. It's really too bad my filters
aren't working.

"Skylune" wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

by Skywise Dec 8, 2005 at 10:17 PM


"Skylune" wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

by Rachel fakename@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 6, 2005 at 07:30 PM

.
yawn I can't believe some people find GA-bashing to be exciting.

I find it amazing that people spend tens of thousands of dollars to fly
small planes in circles, or in search of hamburgers, for the thrill of
it.


To each her own, I guess, until they intrude on my rights.

By that logic, you are intruding on my right to enjoy this news
group without snivelling little brats bitching about every thing
GA. Should I sue you?

That would be up to you. It would be interesting to hear what legal
statute you think I am violating.

People in this country have a right to express opinions and disagree.
(Not sure if this is well understood in Kah-lee-fornya, though.) People
even have a right to create weird web sites that ramble on about esoteric
stuff like lasers. Sue if you'd like.

You are a loon.... You've just contradicted yourself.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
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"Morgans" wrote in :


"Skywise" wrote

I live in an LA suburb and I've always had trouble finding a
place to dispose of my used oil. Places either charge, or you
have to use a special certified container to bring it in.

You kalifornians need to get real with all of your green laws that are
counter productive.

Here, you can bring oil in to about any auto parts store, in anything you
want to bring it in. How can that be bad?

Admitedly it's been a few years since I've tried bringing my
oil into the autoparts store in my old quart bottles. Things
may have changed since.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
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"Rachel" wrote in message
...
Skylune wrote:
by Rachel Dec 8, 2005 at 04:50 PM

snip

GA planes are completely exempted from any noise restrictions. Some
people think that state or local noise statutes should not have an
exclusive exemption for GA.

Really. We are? I checked the ordinances for the cities that I fly out
of and they do not exempt aircraft of any type. Again, check your facts.

I bet you wouldn't like it if I could legally ride a Harley with
straight
pipes 1000' from your residence at any hour of the day or night. It's
as
simple as that.

You're right, it is very simple. I'd call the cops, same as I do on my
neighbor with the stereo. Why can't you do the same? No matter what
you claim, aircraft are not exempt from noise restrictions. If your
city claims they can't do anything about aircraft noise, that's a
problem to take up with them.

Oh, well, no use arguing with a troll. It's really too bad my filters
aren't working.

Apparently, you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
The FAA has sole jurisdiction over any and all aircraft operation. Cities
can pass all the aircraft noise ordinances they want but their enforcement
ability is zero.