Someone left a mess at CGX !

Tom Conner wrote:
"Rachel" wrote in message
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Skylune wrote:

by Rachel Dec 8, 2005 at 04:50 PM

snip

GA planes are completely exempted from any noise restrictions. Some
people think that state or local noise statutes should not have an
exclusive exemption for GA.

Really. We are? I checked the ordinances for the cities that I fly out
of and they do not exempt aircraft of any type. Again, check your facts.


I bet you wouldn't like it if I could legally ride a Harley with

straight

pipes 1000' from your residence at any hour of the day or night. It's

as

simple as that.

You're right, it is very simple. I'd call the cops, same as I do on my
neighbor with the stereo. Why can't you do the same? No matter what
you claim, aircraft are not exempt from noise restrictions. If your
city claims they can't do anything about aircraft noise, that's a
problem to take up with them.

Oh, well, no use arguing with a troll. It's really too bad my filters
aren't working.


Apparently, you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
The FAA has sole jurisdiction over any and all aircraft operation. Cities
can pass all the aircraft noise ordinances they want but their enforcement
ability is zero.

Apparently, you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking
about. I've seen tickets given. Maybe the city didn't have the
authority to do it, but they do. End of story.

Tom Conner wrote:




Apparently, you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
The FAA has sole jurisdiction over any and all aircraft operation. Cities
can pass all the aircraft noise ordinances they want but their enforcement
ability is zero.

Pull your head out of your ass. The owner of the airport can do pretty
much anything they want. Look at John Wayne in the LA area for a prime
example.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Tom Conner wrote:




Apparently, you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking
about. The FAA has sole jurisdiction over any and all aircraft
operation.
Cities can pass all the aircraft noise ordinances they want but their
enforcement ability is zero.

Pull your head out of your ass. The owner of the airport can do pretty
much anything they want. Look at John Wayne in the LA area for a prime
example.

A private airport can do pretty much what it wants. Any airport that has
accepted FAA AIP grants has to do what the FAA says, and the FAA says no
noise regulations. Again, Newps demonstrates he is the one with his head up
his ass.

Tom Conner wrote:

operation.

Cities can pass all the aircraft noise ordinances they want but their
enforcement ability is zero.

Pull your head out of your ass. The owner of the airport can do pretty
much anything they want. Look at John Wayne in the LA area for a prime
example.


A private airport can do pretty much what it wants. Any airport that has
accepted FAA AIP grants has to do what the FAA says,

No wrong. Noise policies are always at the discretion of the owner of
the airport. The FAA has no jurisdiction over noise policies and never
gives money and then says..."Well you can have this grant, but only if
you don't have any noise abatement procedures."


and the FAA says no
noise regulations.

The FAA has never said any such thing. If they did we wouldn't have
some of the goofed up rules we do. Are you saying John Wayne doesn't
take AIP money?

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:14:47 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Here, you can bring oil in to about any auto parts store, in anything you
want to bring it in. How can that be bad?

Heck, my A&P mechanic has a big barrel that he collects everyone's used oil
in. It's handy, and easy.

Ours has one of those as well

And someone *buys* it from him.


Sell it? He mixes it with fuel oil and it goes into his furnace.
There's a lot of BTUs in that oil!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

IMO, THAT is true "ecology" -- not the government-mandated nonsense that
only encourages everyone to dump their used oil in the storm sewer.

There are also a lot of heavy metals and other nasty stuff
in used engine oil, it isn't good for your home heating or
cooking.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



"Roger" wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:14:47 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
| wrote:
|
| Here, you can bring oil in to about any auto parts
store, in anything you
| want to bring it in. How can that be bad?
|
| Heck, my A&P mechanic has a big barrel that he collects
everyone's used oil
| in. It's handy, and easy.
|
| Ours has one of those as well
|
| And someone *buys* it from him.
|
|
| Sell it? He mixes it with fuel oil and it goes into his
furnace.
| There's a lot of BTUs in that oil!
|
| Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
| (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
| www.rogerhalstead.com
|
| IMO, THAT is true "ecology" -- not the
government-mandated nonsense that
| only encourages everyone to dump their used oil in the
storm sewer.

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:42:59 -0600, Rachel wrote:

Tom Conner wrote:
"Rachel" wrote in message
...

Skylune wrote:

by Rachel Dec 8, 2005 at 04:50 PM

snip

GA planes are completely exempted from any noise restrictions. Some
people think that state or local noise statutes should not have an
exclusive exemption for GA.

Really. We are? I checked the ordinances for the cities that I fly out
of and they do not exempt aircraft of any type. Again, check your facts.


I bet you wouldn't like it if I could legally ride a Harley with

straight

pipes 1000' from your residence at any hour of the day or night. It's

They can here.


as

simple as that.

You're right, it is very simple. I'd call the cops, same as I do on my
neighbor with the stereo. Why can't you do the same? No matter what
you claim, aircraft are not exempt from noise restrictions. If your
city claims they can't do anything about aircraft noise, that's a
problem to take up with them.

Oh, well, no use arguing with a troll. It's really too bad my filters
aren't working.


Apparently, you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
The FAA has sole jurisdiction over any and all aircraft operation. Cities
can pass all the aircraft noise ordinances they want but their enforcement
ability is zero.

Apparently, you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking
about. I've seen tickets given. Maybe the city didn't have the
authority to do it, but they do. End of story.

Cities, townships, and counties...even states pass laws and
regulations for which only the feds have the jurisdiction, but they do
it and get away with it until some one knowledgeable and with enough
money to be able to afford to take them to court and win comes along.

So they pass the laws and enforce them by default until some one slaps
their hands and gets in their pocketbooks. Then another city down the
road turns around and passes a carbon copy and it starts all over
again.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Jim Macklin wrote:
There are also a lot of heavy metals and other nasty stuff
in used engine oil, it isn't good for your home heating or
cooking.


Most specifically for aircraft engines, the stuff is full of
lead. Most of the oil recyclers hear won't touch used oil
that comes from people burning leaded fuels.

Roger wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:42:59 -0600, Rachel wrote:
snip

Cities, townships, and counties...even states pass laws and
regulations for which only the feds have the jurisdiction, but they do
it and get away with it until some one knowledgeable and with enough
money to be able to afford to take them to court and win comes along.

So they pass the laws and enforce them by default until some one slaps
their hands and gets in their pocketbooks. Then another city down the
road turns around and passes a carbon copy and it starts all over
again.

I think that was kind of my point. Sure, the FAA has jurisdiction over
air commerce, but that hasn't prevented states and cities from
regulating it. Illinois has (had?) a couple of rules on the books that
were directly out of the FARS...minimum safe altitudes is the one I can
think of specifically right now.

Regardless, I've seen a city bust a pilot on a noise ordinance
violation. I'm assuming he paid the fine and didn't care that they
didn't have the legal authority to do it. Anyone who says no one
control GA noise is just wrong.

Newps wrote:
Tom Conner wrote:




Apparently, you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
The FAA has sole jurisdiction over any and all aircraft operation. Cities
can pass all the aircraft noise ordinances they want but their enforcement
ability is zero.

Pull your head out of your ass. The owner of the airport can do pretty
much anything they want. Look at John Wayne in the LA area for a prime
example.

Shouldn't SNA be "Marion Morrison AP", John Wayne was a stage name

JG