Jobs for pilots wtih CP + IR?

wrote:
"And that is why I'm happily pushing paper as a non-wrenching A&P while

most of my friends are living 8 to an apartment and flying CRJ's.
Maybe
I don't have a severe enough case of the flying disease, I don't
know... "

I left commuter flying 10 years ago when I went for a ground job
(dispatcher) for financial survival. Are commuter pilots still making
next to nothing today still? Even with those nice new CRJ's ??

I have a friend who is a captain (can't remember which airline right
now) and is making somewhere around $40,000, which isn't too bad. The
other guys I know who are flying right seat in turboprops are making
$17,000-$22,000. I don't know if that's next to nothing, but I know I'd
have to give up a lot on that kind of money.

Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but
a Captain for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually
and a co-pilot about half of that as a starting salary.
Corporate jobs may even pay more but require more hours and
extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or
plastic" at the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a
proper wage, but damn it is so much fun to fly.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Rachel" wrote in message
. ..
| wrote:
| "And that is why I'm happily pushing paper as a
non-wrenching A&P while
|
| most of my friends are living 8 to an apartment and
flying CRJ's.
| Maybe
| I don't have a severe enough case of the flying disease,
I don't
| know... "
|
| I left commuter flying 10 years ago when I went for a
ground job
| (dispatcher) for financial survival. Are commuter
pilots still making
| next to nothing today still? Even with those nice new
CRJ's ??
|
| I have a friend who is a captain (can't remember which
airline right
| now) and is making somewhere around $40,000, which isn't
too bad. The
| other guys I know who are flying right seat in turboprops
are making
| $17,000-$22,000. I don't know if that's next to nothing,
but I know I'd
| have to give up a lot on that kind of money.

Jim Macklin wrote:
Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but
a Captain for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually
and a co-pilot about half of that as a starting salary.
Corporate jobs may even pay more but require more hours and
extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or
plastic" at the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a
proper wage, but damn it is so much fun to fly.

LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that my captain friend
is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a regional, and he just upgraded
(why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know making 20K are
just out of school commercial pilots with 300 hours.

And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate that most don't
take instructing seriously enough to demand enough money to make a
career out of it.

Rachel wrote:

Jim Macklin wrote:

Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but a Captain
for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually and a co-pilot
about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs may even pay
more but require more hours and extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or plastic" at
the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a proper wage, but damn
it is so much fun to fly.


LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that my captain friend
is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a regional, and he just upgraded
(why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know making 20K are
just out of school commercial pilots with 300 hours.

And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate that most don't
take instructing seriously enough to demand enough money to make a
career out of it.

My first job flying (other than CFI) paid $800 / month (early 70s). It
was a right seat job and required loading / unloading cargo five + days
or nights a week. The job gave me experience and hours but there was
little joy flying that way.

My college roomate went into the Air Force and got his hours that way.
After a successful airline career, he retired.

Inflation since the 70's makes $800 equal about $2,000
today.


"Cal Vanize" wrote in message
...
| Rachel wrote:
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will
vary, but a Captain
| for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually and
a co-pilot
| about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs
may even pay
| more but require more hours and extra certificates such
as A&P.
|
| Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper
or plastic" at
| the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a proper
wage, but damn
| it is so much fun to fly.
|
|
| LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that
my captain friend
| is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a regional, and he
just upgraded
| (why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know
making 20K are
| just out of school commercial pilots with 300 hours.
|
| And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate
that most don't
| take instructing seriously enough to demand enough money
to make a
| career out of it.
|
| My first job flying (other than CFI) paid $800 / month
(early 70s). It
| was a right seat job and required loading / unloading
cargo five + days
| or nights a week. The job gave me experience and hours
but there was
| little joy flying that way.
|
| My college roomate went into the Air Force and got his
hours that way.
| After a successful airline career, he retired.
|

I would not do that job for $2000 / month even if it meant flying. The
flying part did not offset the awful working conditions.


Jim Macklin wrote:
Inflation since the 70's makes $800 equal about $2,000
today.


"Cal Vanize" wrote in message
...
| Rachel wrote:
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will
vary, but a Captain
| for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000 annually and
a co-pilot
| about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs
may even pay
| more but require more hours and extra certificates such
as A&P.
|
| Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper
or plastic" at
| the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a proper
wage, but damn
| it is so much fun to fly.
|
|
| LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that
my captain friend
| is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a regional, and he
just upgraded
| (why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know
making 20K are
| just out of school commercial pilots with 300 hours.
|
| And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate
that most don't
| take instructing seriously enough to demand enough money
to make a
| career out of it.
|
| My first job flying (other than CFI) paid $800 / month
(early 70s). It
| was a right seat job and required loading / unloading
cargo five + days
| or nights a week. The job gave me experience and hours
but there was
| little joy flying that way.
|
| My college roomate went into the Air Force and got his
hours that way.
| After a successful airline career, he retired.
|

"Rachel" wrote in message ...
Jim Macklin wrote:
Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but a Captain for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000
annually and a co-pilot about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs may even pay more but require more
hours and extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or plastic" at the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a
proper wage, but damn it is so much fun to fly.

LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that my captain friend is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a
regional, and he just upgraded (why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know making 20K are just out of
school commercial pilots with 300 hours.

And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate that most don't take instructing seriously enough to demand
enough money to make a career out of it.


Used to be at the airport 6 days a week for roughly 12 hours each day. Flew 6 or so hours/day. Loved it but only lasted
a couple years...

Read an article about some feeder line that paid the newbie pilots something like $12,500 the first year...and the
pilots paid them something like $10,000 for the type rating.

How do you propose that CFIs demand enough money to make a career out of it? CFIs are paid what the market will bear, no
more...

..Blueskies. wrote:
"Rachel" wrote in message ...

Jim Macklin wrote:

Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but a Captain for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000
annually and a co-pilot about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs may even pay more but require more
hours and extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or plastic" at the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on a
proper wage, but damn it is so much fun to fly.

LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that my captain friend is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a
regional, and he just upgraded (why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know making 20K are just out of
school commercial pilots with 300 hours.

And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate that most don't take instructing seriously enough to demand
enough money to make a career out of it.



Used to be at the airport 6 days a week for roughly 12 hours each day. Flew 6 or so hours/day. Loved it but only lasted
a couple years...

Read an article about some feeder line that paid the newbie pilots something like $12,500 the first year...and the
pilots paid them something like $10,000 for the type rating.

How do you propose that CFIs demand enough money to make a career out of it? CFIs are paid what the market will bear, no
more...

Yeah, and that's because most people view instructing as a necessary
evil instead of a possible career.

"Rachel" wrote in message ...
.Blueskies. wrote:
"Rachel" wrote in message ...

Jim Macklin wrote:

Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but a Captain for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000
annually and a co-pilot about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs may even pay more but require more
hours and extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or plastic" at the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on
a proper wage, but damn it is so much fun to fly.

LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that my captain friend is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a
regional, and he just upgraded (why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know making 20K are just out of
school commercial pilots with 300 hours.

And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate that most don't take instructing seriously enough to demand
enough money to make a career out of it.



Used to be at the airport 6 days a week for roughly 12 hours each day. Flew 6 or so hours/day. Loved it but only
lasted a couple years...

Read an article about some feeder line that paid the newbie pilots something like $12,500 the first year...and the
pilots paid them something like $10,000 for the type rating.

How do you propose that CFIs demand enough money to make a career out of it? CFIs are paid what the market will bear,
no more...

Yeah, and that's because most people view instructing as a necessary evil instead of a possible career.

Just like the teachers at the local schools - who is going to pay them what they are worth? Maybe someday...

..Blueskies. wrote:
"Rachel" wrote in message ...

.Blueskies. wrote:

"Rachel" wrote in message ...


Jim Macklin wrote:


Are those monthly salaries? Seriously, wages will vary, but a Captain for an airline should earn $40,000-75,000
annually and a co-pilot about half of that as a starting salary. Corporate jobs may even pay more but require more
hours and extra certificates such as A&P.

Bag boys make over $20,000 stuffing bread into "paper or plastic" at the market. Pilots need to learn to insist on
a proper wage, but damn it is so much fun to fly.

LOL, no, yearly. I think I should have clarified that my captain friend is making 40K a year flying CRJ's for a
regional, and he just upgraded (why can't I remember the airline???). The guys I know making 20K are just out of
school commercial pilots with 300 hours.

And don't get me started on the CFI's I know. I hate that most don't take instructing seriously enough to demand
enough money to make a career out of it.



Used to be at the airport 6 days a week for roughly 12 hours each day. Flew 6 or so hours/day. Loved it but only
lasted a couple years...

Read an article about some feeder line that paid the newbie pilots something like $12,500 the first year...and the
pilots paid them something like $10,000 for the type rating.

How do you propose that CFIs demand enough money to make a career out of it? CFIs are paid what the market will bear,
no more...

Yeah, and that's because most people view instructing as a necessary evil instead of a possible career.


Just like the teachers at the local schools - who is going to pay them what they are worth? Maybe someday...

I don't know, none of my teachers were worth anything until I got to the
university level..