Jet Crew: Reverse Thrusters Failed in Chicago - Washington Post

well, yes. in 1998.

Boy! Am I behind the times? LOL.

Thank you all for the updates guys. I was always awestruck as I
lookout over the wings for that last turn to final for the old airport.
It's been awhile since I flew(as a passenger) that route.

On 11 Dec 2005 09:59:49 -0800, Flyingmonk wrote:

well, yes. in 1998.

Boy! Am I behind the times? LOL.

*hehe*

Thank you all for the updates guys. I was always awestruck as I
lookout over the wings for that last turn to final for the old airport.
It's been awhile since I flew(as a passenger) that route.

the ran a good report some time back on TV about the construction of the
island, the highway, bridge, the undersea-highway tunnel, etc.

they were not in time (they wanted to be done when Hong Kong fell back to
China) because they feared that the Chinese will stop further construction.
It took them one year longer than planned, but IIRC the whole thing took
them 5 or 6 years.

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with 100 million passengers per year and will have four runways with
which to do this.


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I hear that IAD (Dulles International Airport, in Northern Virginia)
will be replaced by a bigger international airport also. I live ten
minutes away from IAD.

Marc CYBW wrote:

But a smooth landing and lowering
the nose may have been to delicate to trigger the automatic
deployment of the systems.



My goodness. How sensitive are those gear load sensing switches?

The source was the Washington Post.


Matt

Toks Desalu wrote:
snip............... I could see that the plane barely missed
the wind breakers. Since I am a pilot, I easily recognized the no landing
zone.

I'm a pilot too. What's a wind breaker?

Frank


Toks Desalu

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... but IIRC the whole thing took them 5 or 6 years.

That's still incredibly 'fast'. I hope it isn't sinking like the
Japanese one.

Well, The Washington Post being the source explains a lot. I was
wondering how they get the spoilers deployed with that nose wheel still
in the air. Seen it done dozens of times as I'm sure most on the
newsgroup have also.

Regards,

James A. (Jim) Carter


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Marc CYBW wrote:

But a smooth landing and lowering
the nose may have been to delicate to trigger the automatic
deployment of the systems.



My goodness. How sensitive are those gear load sensing switches?

The source was the Washington Post.


Matt

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message

Automatic deployment of spoilers and thrust reversers
depends on compression of the main gear struts and probably
also the nose wheel strut.

I've never flown the 737, but have the 727 and 747. Boeing used to be
pretty consistent in running systems through the models. On both the 727
and 747, main gear compression *and* main wheel spin-up are both necessary
for operation of certain ground systems like reverse thrust, autospoilers,
autobraking, etc. IIRC, on the 727, nose gear compression is also required
for autospoiler deployment. Without a trip to the basement for research, I
can't recall the details. I *could* believe that after a landing in several
inches of snow, certain main wheels may not have spun up enough to release
the reverse actuators.

In article puXmf.798$Y2.561@trndny04, Toks Desalu
wrote:

One time, I was on the commercial
flight to Midway. On approach, everything looked good, and when we are
coming down to final, I sensed a problem when the nose dropped aggressively.

Or perhaps the pilots knew the runway was short, had the runway
visually in sight, and elected to land below the normal glideslope
because the pilot believed it necessary for a safer landing. That's
specifically permitted by the regulations.

The plane then flared aggressively, and made an extremely hard landing at no
landing zone( barely missed the wind breaker).

What's "no landing zone"? What's a "wind breaker"? What was the wind,
and what was the gust factor that day?


I immediately knew that the
pilot must have let the airspeed drop below the recommended approach speed.

With all due respect, you know nothing of the sort. What was the
"recommended approach speed" for the airplane's landing weight that
day. For that matter, what *was* the airplane's landing weight? You
don't know, and therefore don't even know the target speed, let alone
whether they dropped below it.

From the back, you have *no* idea what the indicated airspeed is.
None. You may have a rough estimate of the *ground* speed based on
your observations out the window. Assuming no wind, I seriously doubt
you'd be able to tell the difference between 140 knots and 120.

I think I was only person on that flight that got into a brief panic.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...

What's "no landing zone"?

Displaced threshold?

What's a "wind breaker"?

Blast fence?