request for fighter pilot statistic

"Michael Kelly" wrote

Well tested the mighty BUFF is Morgans! To keep the old lady flying for
another 40 years we've put new computers and weapons on to bird, and
lucky young Lt's like me are able to fly on a jet my grandfather could
have flown on. We're ugly, slow and smoky but a hell of a lot of fun to
fly on. Its a privilege to be part of the BUFF community and I wouldn't
trade it for anything.

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You know, for all of the airshows and open houses at airbases I have been
to, (quite a few; certainly over what I can count on both hands) I still
have yet to see a buff in the air. Why is that?

You need to lobby your higher-ups, to let you (or someone) do some more
fly-bys at air shows.

One of these days, I hope I'll see one!
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Michael Kelly" wrote

Well tested the mighty BUFF is Morgans! To keep the old lady flying for
another 40 years we've put new computers and weapons on to bird, and
lucky young Lt's like me are able to fly on a jet my grandfather could
have flown on. We're ugly, slow and smoky but a hell of a lot of fun to
fly on. Its a privilege to be part of the BUFF community and I wouldn't
trade it for anything.

******************************************

You know, for all of the airshows and open houses at airbases I have been
to, (quite a few; certainly over what I can count on both hands) I still
have yet to see a buff in the air. Why is that?

You need to lobby your higher-ups, to let you (or someone) do some more
fly-bys at air shows.

One of these days, I hope I'll see one!
--
Jim in NC

We had a BUFF fly by at the fall Atlanta race.

I swear the thing was below the level of the suites and had to cob the
throttles and make a last minute altitude adjustment to insure he cleared
the light towers.

I saved all the angles of all the fly bys from the second half of the NASCAR
season and burned them to DVD.

The unofficial NASCAR 2nd Half Fly By Roll Call:

- 2 B2s (Two Races)
- 1 B52
- 1 B1
- 2 B17s*
- 1 B24*
- 4 T38s
- 2 OV22 Osprey (Night Race at Richmond...their rotor/prop tips glow!!)
- 12 F/A 18s (Three Diff Races)
- 8 F15s (Two Races)
- 8 F16s (Two Races)
- 1 C5 (Dover...Go Figure...)
- 8 A/H64s (Two Races)
- 4 USCG Helos (The ones with the shrouded tail rotors...Dolphins?)

(*B17 "Yankee Lady" at Michigan and at Watkinds Glen, the Collings
Foundation birds flew over one day...not technically a Fly By, but they did
fly by if you know what I mean.)

Jay B

("Jay Beckman" wrote)
- 2 OV22 Osprey (Night Race at Richmond...their rotor/prop tips glow!!)


As a long suffering Osprey taxpayer my question is, are they suppose to
glow? :-)


Montblack

I forgot what year it was, but it was before '96, I was a tin roofer
installing lead-coated copper standing deam roof on a tower in Quantico
Marine base when one of the Ospreys took a nose dive into the Potomac
River. I had clear view of it because I was on the tower roof.

Morgans wrote:
"Michael Kelly" wrote


Well tested the mighty BUFF is Morgans! To keep the old lady flying for
another 40 years we've put new computers and weapons on to bird, and
lucky young Lt's like me are able to fly on a jet my grandfather could
have flown on. We're ugly, slow and smoky but a hell of a lot of fun to
fly on. Its a privilege to be part of the BUFF community and I wouldn't
trade it for anything.


******************************************

You know, for all of the airshows and open houses at airbases I have been
to, (quite a few; certainly over what I can count on both hands) I still
have yet to see a buff in the air. Why is that?

You need to lobby your higher-ups, to let you (or someone) do some more
fly-bys at air shows.

One of these days, I hope I'll see one!

About 20 (maybe 25?)years ago I was out cultivating corn just northwest
of Waterloo, IA and I swear a B52 rumbled right over my head.
Incredibly low and slow. Looked dangerous.

==bob

"Bob Matthews" wrote

About 20 (maybe 25?)years ago I was out cultivating corn just northwest
of Waterloo, IA and I swear a B52 rumbled right over my head.
Incredibly low and slow. Looked dangerous.

A couple of years ago, I heard a low rumble that I could not identify. It
kept getting louder, and I finally "had" to go outside and try to identify
what it was, or at least from what direction the sound was coming.

It lasted several minutes, and I made up my mind that it *must* be the sound
of big afterburners, and from how loud it was, more than two. I guessed it
must be a B-1 running the nearby gorge on a low level training run.

The next couple days, I asked around, and many had heard it. Finally, I
came across someone who lived out in the direction of the Lindville Gorge
that saw it come directly over his house.

That was 15 or more miles away, and it was unmistakable and different, and
had a deep rumble unlike anything I had ever heard. The next year I saw a
B-1 doing afterburner runs up close at an air show, and heard how loud they
were. Yep, that was it!

Still not a buff, though. :-)
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

"Bob Matthews" wrote


About 20 (maybe 25?)years ago I was out cultivating corn just northwest
of Waterloo, IA and I swear a B52 rumbled right over my head.
Incredibly low and slow. Looked dangerous.


A couple of years ago, I heard a low rumble that I could not identify. It
kept getting louder, and I finally "had" to go outside and try to identify
what it was, or at least from what direction the sound was coming.

It lasted several minutes, and I made up my mind that it *must* be the sound
of big afterburners, and from how loud it was, more than two. I guessed it
must be a B-1 running the nearby gorge on a low level training run.

The next couple days, I asked around, and many had heard it. Finally, I
came across someone who lived out in the direction of the Lindville Gorge
that saw it come directly over his house.

That was 15 or more miles away, and it was unmistakable and different, and
had a deep rumble unlike anything I had ever heard. The next year I saw a
B-1 doing afterburner runs up close at an air show, and heard how loud they
were. Yep, that was it!

Still not a buff, though. :-)

Being in the flight path of a Bone low level in max aug is a truly
moving experience and double hearing protection is advised! The BUFF is
slower, uglier and more smoky not nearly as impressive a sight to
behold. The Bone emanates raw power and graceful lines. The BUFF is
the fat ugly lineman, sure its not as sexy as a quarterback, but it
grinds it out like that lineman and makes the mission happen.

My personal preference, the Bone is a hell of a lot more fun to fly.
Get real, if given the choice between a Ferrari and a pick up I'll
always pick the Ferrari as more fun to drive. The practical side of me
though acknowledges that the pickup is pretty useful, but some what less
sexy. I've only flown the Bone sim, but spent plenty of time in its
cockpit. I have flown in the BUFF and also spent a fair amount of time
in it. I'd rather spend a 20+ hour sortie in the BUFF, more room makes
a difference after the 6th or 7th hour of a flight.

Michael Kelly
BUFF Flight Tester (Former Bone Maintainer)

About 20 (maybe 25?)years ago I was out cultivating corn just northwest
of Waterloo, IA and I swear a B52 rumbled right over my head.
Incredibly low and slow. Looked dangerous.

In about 1979, I was searching in the mountains west of Fort
Collins, Colorado for a downed aircraft. I was flying in a Birddog
500' below the ridge line, and heard the most incredible rumbling.
It just kept getting louder and louder. We were jinking left and
right, trying to figure out what it was. Then, we saw a BUFF, 500'
below us and 300' AGL, flying UP the canyon. It climbed over the
canyon wall at the head of the canyon. We immediately climbed and
went over the ridge we were searching to that we would be WELL away
from the wing vortex(es), which would hit the canyon floor or the
canyon wall and CLIMB up the wall due to their rotation. We made
it, but the snow swirl as the wing vortex came over the canyon wall
made an impressive "horizontal snow tornado".

This was one of the BEST ways of turning taxpayer dollars into noise
that I have ever seen/heard! I am proud to be an American!

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction/mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

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Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO
CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jeratfrii.com http://users.frii.com/jer/
C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 235 Young Eagles!

Didn't a BUFF go down at at airshow? Thought I saw the video.

Flyingmonk wrote:
Didn't a BUFF go down at at airshow? Thought I saw the video.

Fairchild AFB, early nineties in an air show practice. Basically, the
pilot involved didn't think the rules applied to him and was well know
for his unsafe flying. A number of aircrew flat out refused to fly with
him and finally a significant number of the wing staff thought there
could be a problem and decided to fly with him. Unfortunately for them
the flight they were on was the one that crashed in front of the
cameras. A book was written about the complete lack of leadership that
led up to this accident.

In at least one, if not more, preflight briefings I've been in various
aspects of this crash were discussed under the safety and EP portions of
the brief.

Michael Kelly
BUFF Flight Tester