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Old December 20th 05, 03:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Seaplane down off Miami Beach....

More likely that a fuel line was not properly safetied or
otherwise failed. Turbine engines have fuel pressures as
high a 1,000 PSI, so the fuel system in the engine is highly
stressed. The fuel supply pumps are high capacity and 50 to
100 PSI, so again, the fuel connections and lines are
stressed.

If there was a fuel leak into the nacelle, wing root area,
any source of ignition could cause an explosion and the
resulting fire would soften the aluminum spar quickly. The
emergency procedure for a fire is to shut off the fuel
valves, but if the failure was between the tank and fuel
tank or the valve was damaged, it might not be possible to
shut the fuel off.

The NTSB is very good at investigating this type of failure,
the will track melted and bent metal, see the pattern of
soot and follow the fractures in the metal.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
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"Otis Winslow" wrote in message
...
| I'm wondering if fitting turbine engines on the old
airframes
| didn't pull something loose in the wing/mount.
|
| This thing's just a heart breaker. I see them flying all
the
| time when I'm in Miami. They've been flying off Watson
Island
| forever. I've always thought it would be fun to fly with
them
| over to the Bahamas.
|
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| My guess is that they had a loose or broken fuel line,
| caught fire and the fuel vapor exploded and the fire
melted
| the spar enough for it to fail.. The airplane seems to
have
| been very sturdy, since the fuselage is intact after the
| impact.
|
| Thanks.
|
|


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Old December 21st 05, 05:27 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Seaplane down off Miami Beach....

This news article
(http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/20/D8EKBRTG0.html) says that the
wing was recovered from the water today, and the engine and prop are
still attached. There's even a photo showing it. Looks like the wing
separated pretty well inboard of the engine. At this point,
speculation seems that either a fuel leak/fire melting the spar... or
perhaps just simple plain structural failure of the spar with the fire
happening afterwards could both possibly explain the wing separation.


Jim Macklin wrote:
More likely that a fuel line was not properly safetied or
otherwise failed. Turbine engines have fuel pressures as
high a 1,000 PSI, so the fuel system in the engine is highly
stressed. The fuel supply pumps are high capacity and 50 to
100 PSI, so again, the fuel connections and lines are
stressed.

If there was a fuel leak into the nacelle, wing root area,
any source of ignition could cause an explosion and the
resulting fire would soften the aluminum spar quickly. The
emergency procedure for a fire is to shut off the fuel
valves, but if the failure was between the tank and fuel
tank or the valve was damaged, it might not be possible to
shut the fuel off.

The NTSB is very good at investigating this type of failure,
the will track melted and bent metal, see the pattern of
soot and follow the fractures in the metal.


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Old December 21st 05, 06:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Seaplane down off Miami Beach....

The Chalk Island web site says that their airplanes were in
the shop for the engine changes and complete mechanical
refurbishment and new paint/interiors.

There should be some preliminary data released by the NTSB
before Christmas or New Year, I would expect.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin
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ps.com...
| This news article
| (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/20/D8EKBRTG0.html)
says that the
| wing was recovered from the water today, and the engine
and prop are
| still attached. There's even a photo showing it. Looks
like the wing
| separated pretty well inboard of the engine. At this
point,
| speculation seems that either a fuel leak/fire melting the
spar... or
| perhaps just simple plain structural failure of the spar
with the fire
| happening afterwards could both possibly explain the wing
separation.
|
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| More likely that a fuel line was not properly safetied
or
| otherwise failed. Turbine engines have fuel pressures
as
| high a 1,000 PSI, so the fuel system in the engine is
highly
| stressed. The fuel supply pumps are high capacity and
50 to
| 100 PSI, so again, the fuel connections and lines are
| stressed.
|
| If there was a fuel leak into the nacelle, wing root
area,
| any source of ignition could cause an explosion and the
| resulting fire would soften the aluminum spar quickly.
The
| emergency procedure for a fire is to shut off the fuel
| valves, but if the failure was between the tank and fuel
| tank or the valve was damaged, it might not be possible
to
| shut the fuel off.
|
| The NTSB is very good at investigating this type of
failure,
| the will track melted and bent metal, see the pattern of
| soot and follow the fractures in the metal.
|
|


 




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