Seaplane down off Miami Beach....

Bird strikes are common, but Grumman was called the Iron
Works for a reason, they built tough airplanes. Aluminum
melts at 1100 degrees F and has lost most of its strength at
500 degrees. Kerosene fire is high heat and energy, failure
could happen in 10-15 seconds [guess].


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| My guess is that they had a loose or broken fuel line,
| caught fire and the fuel vapor exploded and the fire
melted
| the spar enough for it to fail.. The airplane seems to
have
| been very sturdy, since the fuselage is intact after the
| impact.
|
| Any information as to what altitude they were cruising at?
It seems
| like it would take a minute or more to soften a spar
enough to fail, but
| maybe the pilot wasn't aware he had a problem in time.
Then again, it
| may have been something else entirely. I wonder if they
could have hit
| a gull or something like that also and cause a problem.
|
|
| Matt

Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin


Go **** yourself

Matt Whiting wrote:

Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin



Go **** yourself


I've reported this impersonater to hotmail, but who knows if they will
do anything about it.

Hopefully, anyone who has read my posts in the r.a.* newsgroups over the
years, knows that I don't use language like this.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Matt Whiting wrote:

Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper Jim Macklin



Go **** yourself


I've reported this impersonater to hotmail, but who knows if they will do
anything about it.

Hopefully, anyone who has read my posts in the r.a.* newsgroups over the
years, knows that I don't use language like this.

Matt

You need to report him to Google as it looks like that is where he was
posting from.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Matt Whiting wrote:


Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper Jim Macklin



Go **** yourself


I've reported this impersonater to hotmail, but who knows if they will do
anything about it.

Hopefully, anyone who has read my posts in the r.a.* newsgroups over the
years, knows that I don't use language like this.

Matt


You need to report him to Google as it looks like that is where he was
posting from.

Yes, I did that as well as soon as I looked at the full header. Thanks.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Matt Whiting wrote:


Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper Jim Macklin



Go **** yourself


I've reported this impersonater to hotmail, but who knows if they
will do anything about it.

Hopefully, anyone who has read my posts in the r.a.* newsgroups over
the years, knows that I don't use language like this.

Matt


You need to report him to Google as it looks like that is where he was
posting from.

Yes, I did that as well as soon as I looked at the full header. Thanks.

It originates in Reston Va. with Level3 Communications

4.249.57.148

Darrel Toepfer wrote:

It originates in Reston Va. with Level3 Communications

4.249.57.148

Level3's applicable TOS:

Spoofing/Fraud
A User may not attempt to send e-mail messages or transmit any electronic
communications using a name or address of someone other than the User for
purposes of deception. Any attempt to impersonate someone else by altering
a source IP address information or by using forged headers or other
identifying information is prohibited. Any attempt to fraudulently conceal,
forge, or otherwise falsify a User's identity in connection with use of the
Service is prohibited.


Looks like the fake MW is jeopardizing his dial-up Internet account. I
didn't think anyone in the US used dial-up anymore, what with cheap
broadband almost ubiquitous.

--
Peter

Here is the header info from the imposter...
Path:
dukenews1.cox.net!duke.cox.net!filt01.cox.net!peer 01.cox.net!cox.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!b order1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pos tnews.google.com!g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: "Matt Whiting"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Seaplane down off Miami Beach....
Date: 22 Dec 2005 09:07:23 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 8
Message-ID:
.com
References:
.com


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BUNpf.29689$QW2.12841@dukeread08
aASpf.660077$xm3.524670@attbi_s21
bGTpf.29718$QW2.22965@dukeread08

SoVpf.29738$QW2.2110@dukeread08
NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.249.57.148
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1135271248 17795 127.0.0.1 (22
Dec 2005 17:07:28 GMT)
X-Complaints-To:
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:07:28 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To: SoVpf.29738$QW2.2110@dukeread08
User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows
NT 5.1; SV1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To:
Injection-Info: g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com;
posting-host=4.249.57.148;
posting-account=SGs8yg0AAABIH8xK_bnpCLn5e3cw-CM9
X-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:08:36 EST
(dukenews1.cox.net)

Here is the real...
Path:
dukenews1.cox.net!duke.cox.net!filt01.cox.net!peer 01.cox.net!cox.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!n ntp.giganews.com!feed.cgocable.net!news2.epix.net! news1.epix.net!not-for-mail
From: Matt Whiting
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Seaplane down off Miami Beach....
References:
.com


0jJpf.5163$vJ4.3811@trnddc07
ExLpf.414921$084.377502@attbi_s22
BUNpf.29689$QW2.12841@dukeread08
aASpf.660077$xm3.524670@attbi_s21
bGTpf.29718$QW2.22965@dukeread08

SoVpf.29738$QW2.2110@dukeread08
.com
In-Reply-To:
.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 19
Message-ID:
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:23:44 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.37.139.216
X-Complaints-To:
X-Trace: news1.epix.net 1135272224 216.37.139.216 (Thu, 22
Dec 2005 12:23:44 EST)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:23:44 EST
X-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:24:52 EST
(dukenews1.cox.net)

Note the places to report abuse is Google on the spoofed
post.



--
Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
| Matt Whiting wrote:
|
| Merry Christmas
| Have a Safe and Happy New Year
| Live Long and Prosper
| Jim Macklin
|
|
|
| Go **** yourself
|
|
| I've reported this impersonater to hotmail, but who knows
if they will
| do anything about it.
|
| Hopefully, anyone who has read my posts in the r.a.*
newsgroups over the
| years, knows that I don't use language like this.
|
| Matt

Jim Macklin wrote:

Here is the header info from the imposter...

Not needed. News readers, including Google's web based reader, all offer a
simple way to browse headers.

Note the places to report abuse is Google on the spoofed
post.

Why not go for the root of the problem and report the spoofing to his
dial-up ISP, given that he is in violation of a few of their TOS rules.
It's too easy to create another newsgroup posting ID on Google after the
original is closed.

Go he http://incident-report.level3.com/

or email his entire post and headers to he

--
Peter

Very true, just thought that some, including the impostor,
would like to see the info that is available to catch them.
He might even be in violation of Federal law and face some
time in prison.


--
Merry Christmas
Have a Safe and Happy New Year
Live Long and Prosper
Jim Macklin
"Peter R." wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| Here is the header info from the imposter...
|
| Not needed. News readers, including Google's web based
reader, all offer a
| simple way to browse headers.
|
| Note the places to report abuse is Google on the spoofed
| post.
|
| Why not go for the root of the problem and report the
spoofing to his
| dial-up ISP, given that he is in violation of a few of
their TOS rules.
| It's too easy to create another newsgroup posting ID on
Google after the
| original is closed.
|
| Go he http://incident-report.level3.com/
|
| or email his entire post and headers to he

|
| --
| Peter