Broken wing

Stubby wrote:

Way back, I believe the first jet passenger jet was the Lockheed
Electra. The plane mysteriously fell out of the air and very thorough
search for a cause was instituted. In the end, again if I remember
correctly, the conclusion was that the wing spar failed from fatigue
because the wing was nutating, a slight circular motion due to
gyroscopic effects.

Maybe that's the same thing caused the FL seaplane crash.

Except the Electra wasn't a jet. Maybe you are thinking of the Comet.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote

Except the Electra wasn't a jet. Maybe you are thinking of the
Comet.

Well...the Electras that I flew certainly had "jet" engines.
Even burned kerosene. :-)

Bob Moore

I said the Electra is not a jet you pompous asshole...

Matt Whiting wrote:
I said the Electra is not a jet you pompous asshole...


Nice attempt at forging an email from me, but you aren't very good at it.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
I said the Electra is not a jet you pompous asshole...

Bob has remarkable consistency in posting incisive, telling stuff,
gleaned without doubt over years of flying. Notwithstanding that, don't
you think your invective isn't quite apropos for one past 70?

When he wrote jet under two quotation marks, it was obvious he wasn't
referring to the obvious.

Just my 0.02,

Ramapriya

Bob Moore wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote


Except the Electra wasn't a jet. Maybe you are thinking of the
Comet.


Well...the Electras that I flew certainly had "jet" engines.
Even burned kerosene. :-)

Gee, Bob, you should know the difference between a turbine engine used
as a propjet from one used as a pure jet. :-)

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote

Gee, Bob, you should know the difference between a turbine
engine used as a propjet from one used as a pure jet. :-)

Hey! Eastern Airlines called them "Prop Jets".
By the definitions posted here, there are no "Jet" airliners
currently flying, since they are all "Turbo Fans". Right??? :-)

Bob Moore

Bob Moore wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote


Gee, Bob, you should know the difference between a turbine
engine used as a propjet from one used as a pure jet. :-)


Hey! Eastern Airlines called them "Prop Jets".
By the definitions posted here, there are no "Jet" airliners
currently flying, since they are all "Turbo Fans". Right??? :-)

The still derive significant thrust from the exhaust jet, but I'll grant
you that it is getting much grayer as the bypass ratios keep increasing.
:-)

Then again, if it was black and white, what would we have to argue about
here? Things would get dull in a hurry.

Matt

Bob Moore wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote

Gee, Bob, you should know the difference between a turbine
engine used as a propjet from one used as a pure jet. :-)

Hey! Eastern Airlines called them "Prop Jets".

The airline marketing departments purposely blurred the definitions in the
1950s. American called Electras "Jet Powered Flagships". Braniff called
them "Jet Power Electras". I seem to remember one airline declaring that
they had an all-jet fleet when they phased out their last piston aircraft,
but still flew turboprops.

Bob Moore wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote

Except the Electra wasn't a jet. Maybe you are thinking of the
Comet.

Well...the Electras that I flew certainly had "jet" engines.
Even burned kerosene. :-)

Bob Moore

The ones I flew had jet turbine engines but they were geared to propellors
which makes a difference. They are generally referred to as turboprops
whereas the term jet normally refers to a jet engine without external
propellors. But the difference is decreasing since most high-bypass jet
engines now have internal rotors which produce more than half the thrust
using propellor type action but within the engine frame. That air doesn't
even go through the combutions chambers, it bypasses them, hence the term
high-bypass.

But you knew that, Bob, I just mentioned it for those who didn't.

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