We're getting old, folks...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
Like Jay said, it's very
common that a husband likes flying, but a wife does not (I'm in that
exact situation). I've never heard of the reverse. If more wives were
into flying, it would mean more active pilots, which would have a whole
lot of positive secondary effects.

So what's the solution? How do we make flying more feminine? How do
we attract females to the airport?

My wife, Mary, is living proof that flying is NOT an all-male
pass-time, but I know she likes to hang out at the hangar entertaining
friends nearly as much as she likes the flying. So how do we make the
airport more SOCIAL?

As with so many things in life, if we can get the chicks into it, us
guys will have a much easier time...

This is like trying to get women to take engineering in college. Although
they have the intelligence, for whatever reason, women would rather get a
business degree than an engineering degree. My theory is women think in
business they will be expected to dress nice, but in engineering they will
not. Since, all things being equal, a woman would rather spend her money on
clothes, then a business degree will help her reach that goal. Therefore,
the secret to getting women into flying is to make flying a fashion
statement that requires the participant to waste money on clothes.

"Tom Conner" wrote:
This is like trying to get women to take engineering in college.
Although they have the intelligence, for whatever reason, women would
rather get a business degree than an engineering degree.
[ Nonsense elided. ]

The proportion of women in the sciences has increased over the years and as
of 2001 roughly 30% to 40% of graduate students in the sciences are women,
with 54% of graduate students in biological sciences being women.[1]

In 2001, it appears roughly as many women as men were awarded science and
engineering bachelor's degrees - and there were more women than men earning
bachelor's degrees of all types.[2]

[1] http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/figd-1.htm
[2] http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/figc-1.htm

Tom Conner wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...

Like Jay said, it's very
common that a husband likes flying, but a wife does not (I'm in that
exact situation). I've never heard of the reverse. If more wives were
into flying, it would mean more active pilots, which would have a whole
lot of positive secondary effects.

So what's the solution? How do we make flying more feminine? How do
we attract females to the airport?

My wife, Mary, is living proof that flying is NOT an all-male
pass-time, but I know she likes to hang out at the hangar entertaining
friends nearly as much as she likes the flying. So how do we make the
airport more SOCIAL?

As with so many things in life, if we can get the chicks into it, us
guys will have a much easier time...


This is like trying to get women to take engineering in college. Although
they have the intelligence, for whatever reason, women would rather get a
business degree than an engineering degree. My theory is women think in
business they will be expected to dress nice, but in engineering they will
not. Since, all things being equal, a woman would rather spend her money on
clothes, then a business degree will help her reach that goal. Therefore,
the secret to getting women into flying is to make flying a fashion
statement that requires the participant to waste money on clothes.

Don't they make pink flight suits already? :-)


Matt

Jim Logajan wrote:

"Tom Conner" wrote:

This is like trying to get women to take engineering in college.
Although they have the intelligence, for whatever reason, women would
rather get a business degree than an engineering degree.

[ Nonsense elided. ]

The proportion of women in the sciences has increased over the years and as
of 2001 roughly 30% to 40% of graduate students in the sciences are women,
with 54% of graduate students in biological sciences being women.[1]

In 2001, it appears roughly as many women as men were awarded science and
engineering bachelor's degrees - and there were more women than men earning
bachelor's degrees of all types.[2]

[1] http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/figd-1.htm
[2] http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/figc-1.htm

He said engineering, not science. If you look at the engineering
numbers, women earn fewer than 1/4 of the degrees issued each year. It
is improving to be sure, but not even close to parity.


Matt

("Matt Whiting" wrote)
Don't they make pink flight suits already? :-)


"Orange, it's the new pink."


Montblack

Matt Whiting wrote:
He said engineering, not science. If you look at the engineering
numbers, women earn fewer than 1/4 of the degrees issued each year.
It is improving to be sure, but not even close to parity.

True. But he also went on to blather some nonsense about women choosing
business degrees due to clothing choices. The connection between pursuing
an engineering degree and pursuing a private pilot certificate is somewhat
suspect, but claiming the motivations are influenced by dress style appears
to be an early April 1st entry. But goofier things have been claimed with
sincerity on Usenet, so I thought it best to present whatever facts are
available.

True. But he also went on to blather some nonsense about women choosing
business degrees due to clothing choices. The connection between pursuing
an engineering degree and pursuing a private pilot certificate is somewhat
suspect, but claiming the motivations are influenced by dress style appears
to be an early April 1st entry. But goofier things have been claimed with
sincerity on Usenet, so I thought it best to present whatever facts are
available.

Well, Jim, I tend to agree with you -- but I notice you're not
postulating an alternative theory... :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
True. But he also went on to blather some nonsense about women
choosing business degrees due to clothing choices. The connection
between pursuing an engineering degree and pursuing a private pilot
certificate is somewhat suspect, but claiming the motivations are
influenced by dress style appears to be an early April 1st entry. But
goofier things have been claimed with sincerity on Usenet, so I
thought it best to present whatever facts are available.

Well, Jim, I tend to agree with you -- but I notice you're not
postulating an alternative theory... :-)

Don't have one. However, when having a hard time solving any question,
perhaps the old technique of rephrasing the question may (or may not) help.
For example, to "invert" the question, perhaps finding the answer to one of
these may help:

What attracts some men to flying?
What attracts some men to flying enough for them to spend the time, money,
and mental effort?
Why don't more men take up flying?

In theory, I would think simple introspection on a man's part is all that
is needed to find the answers to at least one of these questions - in
theory, anyway.

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:31:26 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Jim Logajan wrote:

"Tom Conner" wrote:

This is like trying to get women to take engineering in college.
Although they have the intelligence, for whatever reason, women would
rather get a business degree than an engineering degree.

[ Nonsense elided. ]

The proportion of women in the sciences has increased over the years and as
of 2001 roughly 30% to 40% of graduate students in the sciences are women,
with 54% of graduate students in biological sciences being women.[1]

In 2001, it appears roughly as many women as men were awarded science and
engineering bachelor's degrees - and there were more women than men earning
bachelor's degrees of all types.[2]

[1] http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/figd-1.htm
[2] http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/figc-1.htm

He said engineering, not science. If you look at the engineering
numbers, women earn fewer than 1/4 of the degrees issued each year. It
is improving to be sure, but not even close to parity.

Why just engineering? Science and Engineering are both technical
degrees.

Besides, engineers are the educated mechanics who put together the
items developed by the scientists. :-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com




Matt

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:17:36 -0600, "Montblack"
wrote:

("Matt Whiting" wrote)
Don't they make pink flight suits already? :-)


"Orange, it's the new pink."

Phosphorescent Orange! I think that's the color I'll paint my G-III
Well either that or Phosphorescent Green, or maybe one of those
irridescent paint jobs that changes color as you fly by.

When you take 'er through between some one's house and garage all the
wittnesses will give different descriptions.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Montblack