Report Leaving Assigned Altitude?

"Stan Gosnell" me@work wrote in message
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You can descend from 7000' to 3000' whenever you're ready, but
you need to report when you do. You would report leaving 7000'

Where is it written that any report is needed other than the initial
acknowledgment of the pilot discretion clearance? I would maintain that
acknowledging the pilot discretion clearance satisfies the requirement to
report leaving the altitude. In fact, I have on a number of occasions done
just that and not reported to ATC when I began a pilot-discretion descent,
with no complaint from anyone.

Has anyone here ever acknowledged a pilot discretion clearance and then
started a descent at some later point and received a complaint from ATC that
a second report was needed prior to beginning a descent?


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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

with no complaint from anyone.

I suspect the lack of complaint from ATC is no indication that ATC is
pleased with a pilot's behavior. Probably for the same reason that I
no longer chastise people for improper pattern behavior: The supply
of knuckleheads is inexhaustable, and trying to educate them is like
trying to drain the ocean using a thimble.

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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I suspect the lack of complaint from ATC is no indication that ATC is
pleased with a pilot's behavior.


Why would that behavior displease ATC?

Why would that behavior displease ATC?

I didn't say it would. I just said the lack of complaint is no
indication either way.

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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I didn't say it would. I just said the lack of complaint is no
indication either way.


And I didn't say that you said it would. Let me rephrase the question, how
could the pilot's behavior, that is, not reporting leaving a previously
assigned altitude on a discretionary descent, possibly displease ATC?

And I didn't say that you said it would.

Ok, as long as we're clear on that. ;-)

Let me rephrase the question, how could the pilot's behavior, that
is, not reporting leaving a previously assigned altitude on a
discretionary descent, possibly displease ATC?

The only possible thing that I could think of is that if ATC were
waiting to assign that altitude to another aircraft. However, I would
think that ATC would not assign a discretionary descent if that were
the case.

So, the net result is that I can't think of one.

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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The only possible thing that I could think of is that if ATC were
waiting to assign that altitude to another aircraft. However, I would
think that ATC would not assign a discretionary descent if that were
the case.


Exactly. If the controller needed ten thousand for another aircraft, he
might issue "descend now to niner thousand, then descend at pilot's
discretion maintain four thousand" instead of "descend at pilot's
discretion,
maintain four thousand".

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
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"Stan Gosnell" me@work wrote in message
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You can descend from 7000' to 3000' whenever you're ready, but
you need to report when you do. You would report leaving 7000'

Where is it written that any report is needed other than the initial
acknowledgment of the pilot discretion clearance? I would maintain that
acknowledging the pilot discretion clearance satisfies the requirement to
report leaving the altitude. In fact, I have on a number of occasions
done
just that and not reported to ATC when I began a pilot-discretion descent,
with no complaint from anyone.

Has anyone here ever acknowledged a pilot discretion clearance and then
started a descent at some later point and received a complaint from ATC
that
a second report was needed prior to beginning a descent?


--
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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

No. That is what the black letters all in a row that translate to "pilot
discretion" mean. I've done hundreds of them in small aircraft and heavy
(450,000+ lbs).

No. That is what the black letters all in a row that translate to "pilot
discretion" mean. I've done hundreds of them in small aircraft and heavy
(450,000+ lbs).

I have a similar background. When I was flying the air carrier aircraft, the
company I worked for had as policy that its crews would report leaving a
previously assigned altitude, whether PD or not.

There reasoning was it removed any possibility of ambiguity.

When there are two options, and there is any doubt as to which is right (or
wrong) exercise the option that has the least cost if wrong.

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I have a similar background. When I was flying the air carrier aircraft,
the company I worked for had as policy that its crews would report
leaving a previously assigned altitude, whether PD or not.

There reasoning was it removed any possibility of ambiguity.


Where was ambiguity possible?



When there are two options, and there is any doubt as to which is
right (or wrong) exercise the option that has the least cost if wrong.


What is the cost?