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Old December 29th 05, 07:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:




No I do not have a tape of the conversation: you will have to take my
word for it. Van Grunsven will probably confirm it: he's stubborn as a
son of a bitch, but he's honest. Most Dutchmen are.


I will do that as I have breakfast with him on Saturday mornings on a
pretty regular basis, and live about 6 miles from him, my guess he will
say Ludwig who?
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Old December 29th 05, 08:39 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On 28 Dec 2005 18:53:21 -0800, "Bret Ludwig" wrote:


Bret Ludwig wrote:


Bret Ludwig wrote:
It's a lot of work to build and you wind up with a skittish little
plane with either a piece of **** Lycoming or a lot of kludge work to
accomodate better.


I have only flown in one once: it was enough. Dick Van Grunsven TOLD
ME, personally, on the phone, 20 years ago (you could call him up then)
he builds a day VFR airplane and if you want a good stable instrument
platform you should buy a Bonanza like the one he has.


Exactly where do you get the word "skittish" out of what VanGrunsven said? Just
because a plane isn't as stable as a Cessna 182 doesn't make it skittish.

I've got next to no high-performance time, but when I flew the RV-8 a few years
back, it was very easy to fly. It went where I pointed it, and didn't dance
around if I breathed on the stick.

Ron Wanttaja
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Old December 29th 05, 09:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Lou wrote:
Those who can, do,
Those who can't, bitch.


There's a variation of that:

Those who can do, those who can't teach.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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Old December 29th 05, 11:40 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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ELIPPSE wrote:
Hi, Bret! Some of these guys can be pretty vicious. I have to agree
that these little planes are not the best instrument platforms. I fly
with two of my friends in their Mooneys and you can move all over
without the plane changing course. On my little Lancair, if I put my
hand forward on the instrument panel, it descends about 100-200 FPM, or
if I put my hand behind my head, it climbs 100-200 FPM.


Cessna's through 177 do this once in trim. Didn't have enough time in
the C182 to experiment...
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Old December 29th 05, 11:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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If YOU don't want an RV, why don't you just say so instead of saying the
design is, in your opinion, flawed and you have a thing against time
proven engines. Not sure what you mean by skittish...I think the word
you may have been looking for is "responsive". If so, yes, I would
agree that an RV is more "skittish" than an Aeronca Chief (which pretty
much flies like a barn door in comparison), but I sure had fun with my
old Chief. Yes, you have to match the airplane to your intended
mission. RVs "may" not be the best IFR plane (which it sounds like you
are looking for), but guys ARE doing it. Maybe Jerry was right...maybe
it's YOU that is the weakest link. Are your flight skills tuned to
perfection or do you want the plane to mask your inadequacies?

Scott

Bret Ludwig wrote:

Bret Ludwig wrote:

Jerry Springer wrote:

Bret Ludwig wrote:

It's a lot of work to build and you wind up with a skittish little
plane with either a piece of **** Lycoming or a lot of kludge work to
accomodate better.


Once again your stupidity shows!!!! YOU ARE NOT EVEN A GOOD TROLL.
You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. It is
obvious with your comment about an RV being skittish that you are
probably a lousy pilot as well as being ignorant. Why don't you
tell us how many hours stick time yo have in an RV? Of course you won't
tell us because you are a bitter little jealous person.



I have only flown in one once: it was enough. Dick Van Grunsven TOLD
ME, personally, on the phone, 20 years ago (you could call him up then)
he builds a day VFR airplane and if you want a good stable instrument
platform you should buy a Bonanza like the one he has. I have no idea
if he still has a Bonanza, he probably has a King Air or Citation now
for all I know.

No I do not have a tape of the conversation: you will have to take my
word for it. Van Grunsven will probably confirm it: he's stubborn as a
son of a bitch, but he's honest. Most Dutchmen are.

Not everyone wants an RV! (I do lust after a T-6 though.)

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Old December 29th 05, 01:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
Lou wrote:

Those who can, do,
Those who can't, bitch.


There's a variation of that:

Those who can do, those who can't teach.


You forgot the last part:

Those who can't teach, consult!

With apologies to my many consultant friends. :-)

Matt
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Old December 29th 05, 01:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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In article ,
Scott wrote:

If YOU don't want an RV, why don't you just say so instead of saying the
design is, in your opinion, flawed and you have a thing against time
proven engines. Not sure what you mean by skittish...I think the word
you may have been looking for is "responsive". If so, yes, I would
agree that an RV is more "skittish" than an Aeronca Chief (which pretty
much flies like a barn door in comparison), but I sure had fun with my
old Chief. Yes, you have to match the airplane to your intended
mission. RVs "may" not be the best IFR plane (which it sounds like you
are looking for), but guys ARE doing it. Maybe Jerry was right...maybe
it's YOU that is the weakest link. Are your flight skills tuned to
perfection or do you want the plane to mask your inadequacies?


I have not flown the RV-8, but I want a plane that responds to
fingertips/toetips -- NOT one where I have to apply a lot of force to
get a response!

Some people confuse responsiveness with stability -- you can have both
-- or -- you can have neither in a plane -- it is a matter of control
effectiveness/control force.

It seems that Beech, Cessna and Piper have made a lot of planes over the
past 40 years that have stability, but handle like trucks. The early
Bonanzas, IIRC, had nice, light controls, but the recent ones have heavy
controls.

--
Remve "_" from email to reply to me personally.
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Old December 29th 05, 01:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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In article , Kyle Boatright says...


"Lou" wrote in message
oups.com...
Those who can, do,
Those who can't, bitch.


Even my wife got a laugh out of this one...

We have a slightly different versions of this at Model airplane contests.

"those who can ,win and those who can't try to change the rules"

Happy New Year
Chuck (wind 'em up and launch on 3) S

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Old December 29th 05, 04:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message
news:NjOsf.69297$sg5.27745@dukeread12...
Lou wrote:
Those who can, do,
Those who can't, bitch.


There's a variation of that:

Those who can do, those who can't teach.

When I worked at an university, the school of engineering's variation
directed toward the school of education was:

Those who can do.
Those who can't teach.
Those who can't teach, teach teachers.

Wayne
HP-14 N990 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/




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Old December 29th 05, 05:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com...

I have no idea if he still has a Bonanza, he probably has a
King Air or Citation now for all I know.


Dick is active in soaring and competes in soaring contests with his DG-400M.
(Similar to the one shown in the link.)
http://www.yellowwings.com/DG400.jpg

Wayne
HP-14 N990 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/




 




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