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How do you sample a counter with the total vote cast for a candidate?
"Jose" wrote in message m... You count a sample of 20 paper receipts and Al is ahead 15 to 5. Other than Al won the sample, you have learned absolutely nothing about the correctness of the total vote. Right. Then you compare the paper sample to the electronic sample and find that Al is ahead 12-8 in the electronic sample. You now know, which you didn't before, that the voting is rigged (or busted). Had the tallys matched, you would have more confidence than before that the voting was fairly counted electronically, and could trust the other electronic tallys. Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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How do you sample a counter with the total vote cast for a candidate?
You don't. You sample the votes to see if they agree. That is, you compare the electronically reported tally of a set of voting machines with the mechanical (paper?) ballots corresponding to that same set of voting machines. It doesn't matter who is ahead or behind, just that the paper and electronic ones match. If they don't match, something's wrong. Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:37:22 GMT, Jose
wrote: How do you sample a counter with the total vote cast for a candidate? You don't. You sample the votes to see if they agree. That is, you compare the electronically reported tally of a set of voting machines with the mechanical (paper?) ballots corresponding to that same set of voting machines. It doesn't matter who is ahead or behind, just that the paper and electronic ones match. If they don't match, something's wrong. Yah, it means they are a different deomgraphic. Those casting paper ballots are most likely different. I'd be surprised to see a strong correlation between the two. Roger Jose Roger |
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"Roger" wrote in message
... Yah, it means they are a different deomgraphic. Those casting paper ballots are most likely different. I'd be surprised to see a strong correlation between the two. You are not paying attention. *Everyone* gets a paper ballot. They get it when they complete their electronic ballot, which they use to verify their vote was recorded correctly before the turn the paper ballot back into the elections staff. Those paper ballots are then used later to audit the electronic ballot. There's no demographic difference. Everyone who votes is handled the same way. |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:41:58 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote: "Roger" wrote in message .. . Yah, it means they are a different deomgraphic. Those casting paper ballots are most likely different. I'd be surprised to see a strong correlation between the two. You are not paying attention. *Everyone* gets a paper ballot. They get it when they complete their electronic ballot, which they use to verify their vote was recorded correctly before the turn the paper ballot back into the elections staff. Those paper ballots are then used later to audit the electronic ballot. Yah mean we gotta teach 'em how to use the machine, how to use the paper ballott, and get them to do the same thing on both? So far we aren't batting very well on just one. There's no demographic difference. Everyone who votes is handled the same way. That gives them two places to screw up and a thrid one to complain about:-)) Roger Roger |
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"Roger" wrote in message
... Yah mean we gotta teach 'em how to use the machine, how to use the paper ballott, and get them to do the same thing on both? So far we aren't batting very well on just one. Well, there is that. Those in favor of electronic voting machines claim they are easier, and would eliminate hanging chads (etc.) Are those people right? I don't know. It's certainly true that better idiots always come along to defeat idiot-proof devices. You have a point. That gives them two places to screw up and a thrid one to complain about:-)) Yup. Personally, I never found the whole "fill in the circle" thing all that difficult. But there certainly have been some fiascos related to that ballot type, as well as others (like the "punch the hole" type). Maybe we just need a whole new type of fiasco, 'cause people are getting bored with the old kind? ![]() Pete |
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Yah mean we gotta teach 'em how to use the machine, how to use the
paper ballott, and get them to do the same thing on both? No, you teach them how to use the electronic machine, which prints a paper ballot with their choices already filled in. They verify this, put it in the chute, and exit. Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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If they don't match, something's wrong.
Yah, it means they are a different deomgraphic. No, the paper receipts would be from the SAME MACHINE as the electronic tally. They would be duplicates. They MUST match, or there is something wrong. I was not (and nobody was) suggesting that we compare one polling place with another to assure validity. That would be absurd. Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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