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"Jose" wrote in message
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In any case, the issue is whether or not the vote the voter =thinks= is
cast, is =actually= the vote that gets counted. This is independent of
paper receipts to the voter.

Agreed. My point is (still) that giving the vote a receipt isn't going to
affect the issue of vote selling very much. There's not much to prevent
vote selling now, other than the risk of being found out, as it is now.
Handing a receipt to a voter isn't going to shift the problem much, given
how wide open it already is.

There's not much to prevent
vote selling now, other than the risk of being found out

Well, the receipt makes the vote you sold verifiable without going the
absentee ballot route.

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"Jose" wrote in message
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Well, the receipt makes the vote you sold verifiable without going the
absentee ballot route.

So? It's not like "going the absentee ballot route" is the least bit
challenging. If anything, it's slightly easier for the vote seller, because
they don't actually have to go to the polls. Just get the absentee ballot,
sign it, sell it.

Receipts will be a sea change for vote selling. It doesn't happen much
now because it is all risk no reward to the buyer who has no way of
knowing how the seller actually voted. A receipt removes all risk
guaranteeing the buyer gets what they paid for.

Without receipts, the buyer has to seek out voters in advance. With
receipts, the buyer just stands outside the polling place and buys a
sure thing after the vote is cast.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Jose" wrote in message
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In any case, the issue is whether or not the vote the voter =thinks=
is cast, is =actually= the vote that gets counted. This is
independent of paper receipts to the voter.

Agreed. My point is (still) that giving the vote a receipt isn't
going to affect the issue of vote selling very much. There's not much
to prevent vote selling now, other than the risk of being found out,
as it is now. Handing a receipt to a voter isn't going to shift the
problem much, given how wide open it already is.

"sfb" wrote in message news:Qcntf.163$7x.160@trnddc03...
Receipts will be a sea change for vote selling. It doesn't happen much now
because it is all risk no reward to the buyer who has no way of knowing
how the seller actually voted.

Um...then the people buying votes are idiots, I guess.

As I already pointed out, absentee ballots are a perfect way to buy votes.
You don't even leave the voting up to the seller. You just get their vote
by proxy, through their absentee ballot.

A receipt removes all risk guaranteeing the buyer gets what they paid for.

Only for the seller too dumb to use absentee ballots.

Without receipts, the buyer has to seek out voters in advance. With
receipts, the buyer just stands outside the polling place and buys a sure
thing after the vote is cast.

Um, again...idiots? Anyone who stands outside a polling place and offers
money to anyone who just happened to vote the way they wanted, that's an
idiot right there.

"Sea change"? I don't think so.

Pete