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Hilton wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:

And also perhaps another example (together with the stats) that Private
pilots need more (real) instrument time that what's required by Part 61.

Do you really think that would have helped?


Yes Jay, I do believe training improves a pilot's skills.

This was more of a judgment issue than a flying skills issue. Most
pilot training, at least short of the airline's CRM training, rarely
covers much about judgment. Some instructors are much better in this
regard than others, but it simply isn't high on the list typically.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
This was more of a judgment issue than a flying skills issue. Most pilot
training, at least short of the airline's CRM training, rarely covers much
about judgment. Some instructors are much better in this regard than
others, but it simply isn't high on the list typically.

I totally agree. Please see my reply to "Morgans". Our certificate
requirements include very little about decision making, and clearly not
enough instrument training for the Private. While these are the leading
causes of fatal accidents, the PTS changes are primarily maneuvers additions
and removals. For example, if our 3 hours of instrument Private training
was sufficient, the why do non-IFR Private pilots only last 178 seconds in
IMC?

Hilton

Hilton wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:

This was more of a judgment issue than a flying skills issue. Most pilot
training, at least short of the airline's CRM training, rarely covers much
about judgment. Some instructors are much better in this regard than
others, but it simply isn't high on the list typically.


I totally agree. Please see my reply to "Morgans". Our certificate
requirements include very little about decision making, and clearly not
enough instrument training for the Private. While these are the leading
causes of fatal accidents, the PTS changes are primarily maneuvers additions
and removals. For example, if our 3 hours of instrument Private training
was sufficient, the why do non-IFR Private pilots only last 178 seconds in
IMC?

I almost wonder if it would be better to not require the hood time at
all. I wonder if it doesn't build a false sense of security as any
instrument pilot knows that three hours just isn't sufficient to give
you any real capability at all, especially if you don't get recurrent
hood training.

I thought that hood flying was pretty easy when I got my private. Then
I began instrument training and had to not only fly the airplane, but
talk to ATC, navigate, check the weather, handle equipment failures,
etc. All of a sudden, it didn't seem so easy ... until about 40 hours
later! :-)


Matt

On 2006-01-01, Matt Whiting wrote:
I almost wonder if it would be better to not require the hood time at
all. I wonder if it doesn't build a false sense of security as any
instrument pilot knows that three hours just isn't sufficient to give
you any real capability at all, especially if you don't get recurrent
hood training.

On the flip side - how many pilots does hood training save? This is
simply an unknown. If the hood training means more pilots manage to save
themselves when they do screw up compared to how many would be lost in
the same situation, then it's worth keeping. The trouble is it's very
difficult to measure. How many non-IFR pilots make an ASRS report when
they get themselves in a VFR-into-IMC situation?

The trouble is to have a good study of it you have to ask pilots to
incriminate themselves and face FAA action if you're to find the ones
who have a false sense of security and deliberately enter IMC without
the rating.

Recently, Hilton posted:

Matt Whiting wrote:
This was more of a judgment issue than a flying skills issue. Most
pilot training, at least short of the airline's CRM training, rarely
covers much about judgment. Some instructors are much better in
this regard than others, but it simply isn't high on the list
typically.

I totally agree. Please see my reply to "Morgans". Our certificate
requirements include very little about decision making, and clearly
not enough instrument training for the Private.

Being able to teach decision making is the one difference between
trainers/schools. I don't know how any of these "quick-course" schools can
teach good decision making, as the student doesn't have any practical
experience to associate with the theory (even if they could remember the
theory, which test scores suggest otherwise). This case is a prime example
of someone not knowing when to make a "no-go" decision.

While these are the
leading causes of fatal accidents, the PTS changes are primarily
maneuvers additions and removals. For example, if our 3 hours of
instrument Private training was sufficient, the why do non-IFR
Private pilots only last 178 seconds in IMC?

Simple: because they don't use 90 of those seconds to reverse course and
get out of IMC. Those that do so survivie and don't become part of the
statistic.

Neil