ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even begun
his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of course,
found him to be blameless.)

--Gary

Obviously the pilot is the one responsible. But you would think that a
stundent pilot with 30 hours, particularly one who is going along to get
cross country experience would have a little better grasp of map reading and
basic navigation.

Mike Schumann

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
ink.net...
I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even
begun his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of
course, found him to be blameless.)

--Gary

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:54:30 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
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Obviously the pilot is the one responsible.

Actually, I would place some culpability on the FBO (presumably) that
rented the PIC the aircraft. However, that in no way diminishes the
multiple transgressions of the PIC.

Actually, I would place some culpability on the FBO (presumably) that
rented the PIC the aircraft.

Why?

How much nanny do you want in life?

Jose
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:37:29 GMT, Jose
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Actually, I would place some culpability on the FBO (presumably) that
rented the PIC the aircraft.

Why?

Because in my experience the FBO's insurance requires a current
medical certificate and BFR for coverage.

Because in my experience the FBO's insurance requires a current
medical certificate and BFR for coverage.

That may let the insurance company off the hook (though maybe not).
However, how does that place -blame- on the FBO?

Jose
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:42:57 GMT, Jose
wrote in : :

Because in my experience the FBO's insurance requires a current
medical certificate and BFR for coverage.

That may let the insurance company off the hook (though maybe not).
However, how does that place -blame- on the FBO?


Apparently, the matter is moot in this instance, as others have
reported the PIC did not rent the aircraft.

However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:54:30 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
wrote in
et::

Obviously the pilot is the one responsible.

Actually, I would place some culpability on the FBO (presumably) that
rented the PIC the aircraft. However, that in no way diminishes the
multiple transgressions of the PIC.


Sheaffer owned a share in the C-150, no mention of an FBO....
--
Dan DeVillers
http://www.ameritech.net/users/ddevillers/start.html


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Larry Dighera wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:54:30 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
wrote in
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Obviously the pilot is the one responsible.


Actually, I would place some culpability on the FBO (presumably) that
rented the PIC the aircraft. However, that in no way diminishes the
multiple transgressions of the PIC.

He was part owner of the aircraft.

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS
required for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a
map and looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even
begun his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of
course, found him to be blameless.)

Obviously the pilot is the one responsible. But you would think that a
stundent pilot with 30 hours, particularly one who is going along to get
cross country experience would have a little better grasp of map reading
and basic navigation.

His number of hours tells you nothing useful; different students can be at
very different points in their training at the same number of hours. What's
relevant is that this particular student had not yet had any cross-country
training. Why would you expect a student at that stage to already be
competent to read charts and navigate?

--Gary