ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

On 1/3/06 11:55 AM, in article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even begun
his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of course,
found him to be blameless.)

--Gary


The "student/pilot passenger" was flying.
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On 1/3/06 11:55 AM, in article
,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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I have 0 sympathy for either of these guys. Since when is a GPS
required
for VFR navigation? What happened to learning how to read a map and
looking out the window?

You have zero sympathy for the student-pilot passenger who hadn't even
begun
his cross-country flight-training yet? What sort of navigational
responsibility do you expect such a passenger to bear? (The FAA, of
course,
found him to be blameless.)

--Gary


The "student/pilot passenger" was flying.

The passenger was manipulating the controls, yes. But that in no way places
any navigational responsibility on him--especially since his cross-country
training hadn't even begun yet.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote

The passenger was manipulating the controls, yes. But that in no way
places any navigational responsibility on him--especially since his
cross-country training hadn't even begun yet.

I thought I remembered that the 70 yr old was flying, until intercepted; the
student took over at that point. No?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote:


"Gary Drescher" wrote

The passenger was manipulating the controls, yes. But that in no way
places any navigational responsibility on him--especially since his
cross-country training hadn't even begun yet.

I thought I remembered that the 70 yr old was flying, until
intercepted; the student took over at that point. No?

The article says the student did all the flying, from the left seat, and the licensed pilot (PIC) was in the
right seat and handled the nav and comm.

Mike

Morgans wrote:

I thought I remembered that the 70 yr old was flying, until intercepted; the
student took over at that point. No?

I also remember reading that, but, according to this article, the student was
flying all the time.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Gary Drescher wrote:

The passenger was manipulating the controls, yes. But that in no way places
any navigational responsibility on him--especially since his cross-country
training hadn't even begun yet.

Thirty hours and no x-c training? Will this guy live long enough to get
his ticket at this rate?


Jack

Thirty hours and no x-c training? Will this guy live long enough to get
his ticket at this rate?

I used to think the same thing, but nowadays I seem to meet a fair number of
student pilots who haven't even soloed by 25 hours. Fragmented training is
a HUGE waste of time and money, in the long run.

Incidentally, according to the article the student *has* stuck with his
training, which is a tribute to his resiliency, IMHO. (I've known pilots
who quit flying for less.)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
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"Jack" wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:

The passenger was manipulating the controls, yes. But that in no way
places any navigational responsibility on him--especially since his
cross-country training hadn't even begun yet.

Thirty hours and no x-c training? Will this guy live long enough to get
his ticket at this rate?

I did my first x-c training at 26 hours, and my first x-c solo at 47 hours
(that's close to the average around here). Start to finish, my private-pilot
training took four months (flying 3 times a week), so life expectancy
doesn't appear to be an issue.

--Gary

Jack wrote:

Thirty hours and no x-c training?

Yes. That's been typical for at least 15 years.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.