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You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas, not
to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new light
sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.

Your statement that "Diesels are the future" is just as true today as it was
in 1983, when I was given a diesel-powered company car. Diesel was "the
future" then, just as it is today, and just as it probably will still be 20
years from now.




"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("George Patterson" wrote)
You're one of very few, then. The diesels cost significantly more money
to
buy and the fuel isn't that much cheaper than gasoline.


100LL is more $$ than Jet-A by an amount that is not insignificant. 50%?
Couple that with performance (fuel burn) numbers and the choice is
obvious -
a double savings.

Also, Jet-A will continue to be available. Will 100LL? Sure, for a price -
small market, and shrinking!

Diesels are the future (more shrinking 100LL market). Start building them
and the prices *should* fall.


Montblacksootyexhaust
1984 Diesel Rabbit - 52 mpg, day in day out.

("Lakeview Bill" wrote)
You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas,
not to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new
light sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.


Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the GA
fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?


http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/544-full.html#191294
Welcome To The New Year ... And New Aircraft
A New Light Twin In The Works In Italy

"Tecnam (plane link below), an aviation company based in Italy, has
announced that it will build a new -- high wing -- light twin called the
P2006T, which will be fully FAR 33 certificated and sell for under $300,000.
First flight is scheduled for September 2006, with first customer deliveries
expected in 2007. The new P2006T will feature retractable gear and hydraulic
constant-speed props with feathering. Predicted performance figures for the
P2006T include a cruise of 147 knots, 53-knot stall, a rate of climb of
1,400 ft/min (350 ft/min on one engine), an empty weight of about 1,400
pounds, and a useful load of about 1,000 pounds. "We expect it to debut in
the U.S. at Sun 'n Fun in 2007," Lynne Birmingham, the acting U.S. agent for
Tecnam Italy, told AVweb on Saturday. "We're actively pursuing the training
market."

The four-seat twin will have an optional glass panel and two Rotax 912
engines with 100 hp each. It was designed by Luigi Pascale, who also
designed the sleek Partenavia twin, Birmingham said. Tecnam said it decided
in favor of the Rotax engines for reasons of weight saving and cost -- not
only purchase price, but also for low-cost maintenance and operation."

http://www.tecnamaircraft.com/Tecnam_P2006T.htm
Twin Rotax 912's


Montblack
DA42 Twin Star sounds like a better all around deal. We'll see.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Lakeview Bill" wrote)
You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas,
not to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new
light sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.


Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the
GA
fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?


http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/544-full.html#191294
Welcome To The New Year ... And New Aircraft
A New Light Twin In The Works In Italy

"Tecnam (plane link below), an aviation company based in Italy, has
announced that it will build a new -- high wing -- light twin called the
P2006T, which will be fully FAR 33 certificated and sell for under
$300,000.
First flight is scheduled for September 2006, with first customer
deliveries
expected in 2007. The new P2006T will feature retractable gear and
hydraulic
constant-speed props with feathering. Predicted performance figures for
the
P2006T include a cruise of 147 knots, 53-knot stall, a rate of climb of
1,400 ft/min (350 ft/min on one engine), an empty weight of about 1,400
pounds, and a useful load of about 1,000 pounds. "We expect it to debut in
the U.S. at Sun 'n Fun in 2007," Lynne Birmingham, the acting U.S. agent
for
Tecnam Italy, told AVweb on Saturday. "We're actively pursuing the
training
market."

The four-seat twin will have an optional glass panel and two Rotax 912
engines with 100 hp each. It was designed by Luigi Pascale, who also
designed the sleek Partenavia twin, Birmingham said. Tecnam said it
decided
in favor of the Rotax engines for reasons of weight saving and cost -- not
only purchase price, but also for low-cost maintenance and operation."

http://www.tecnamaircraft.com/Tecnam_P2006T.htm
Twin Rotax 912's


Montblack
DA42 Twin Star sounds like a better all around deal. We'll see.

Another company making a mistake and installing Rotax engines with their
unobtainum customer support.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Lakeview Bill" wrote)
You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas,
not to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new
light sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.


Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the
GA fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?


A whole lot bigger percentage than have diesels.

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the
GA fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?

A whole lot bigger percentage than have diesels.


I wonder what it is: If you eliminate Class B and Class C airport fuel
sales, how much Jet-A is sold vs. 100LL everywhere else? (Mogas planes are
on their own)


Montblack

On 2006-01-03, Lakeview Bill wrote:
Your statement that "Diesels are the future" is just as true today as it was
in 1983, when I was given a diesel-powered company car. Diesel was "the
future" then, just as it is today, and just as it probably will still be 20
years from now.

At least here, diesels are the present (and have been for at least a
decade). For car diesels, it can be difficult to tell you're driving a
diesel - they accelerate like a gasoline powered car, they are no
noisier than a gasoline powered car, they are not smoky and thanks to
ultra low sulphur diesel and Biodiesel are not the polluting, smoky
things of 1983. They also get much better fuel economy (particularly in
start/stop traffic).

As for aviation, it isn't just the price difference between 100LL and
diesel - consider that the Diamond Twin Star has better performance than
a Piper Seminole, but with the fuel burn of a 172.

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