ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:42:57 GMT, Jose
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Because in my experience the FBO's insurance requires a current
medical certificate and BFR for coverage.

That may let the insurance company off the hook (though maybe not).
However, how does that place -blame- on the FBO?


Apparently, the matter is moot in this instance, as others have
reported the PIC did not rent the aircraft.

However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

Yes, but how much checking would you expect or tolerate. Would you
expect the FBO to examine your license, medical, and logbook before
every flight? Would you expect them to rent to you for a one week trip
if you would be out of passenger currency halfway through that week?

Jose
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However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

Yes, but how much checking would you expect or tolerate. Would you expect
the FBO to examine your license, medical, and logbook before every flight?
Would you expect them to rent to you for a one week trip if you would be
out of passenger currency halfway through that week?

Jose
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I would think that their insurance carrier would expect the FBO to have some
system in place to assure that the people they rent to are legal and
qualified to fly the aircraft that are being rented. I further believe that
a jury in a liability case would be easily led to think the same.

I would think that their insurance carrier would expect the FBO to have some
system in place to assure that the people they rent to are legal and
qualified to fly the aircraft that are being rented.

Agreed. The question is how intrusive that system ought to be. It
would be simple to subvert anything that's not intrusive. OTOH I've run
into places that want a copy of my driver license, pilot certificate,
medical certificate, logbook, and my SSN before renting.

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I would think that their insurance carrier would expect the FBO to have
some system in place to assure that the people they rent to are legal and
qualified to fly the aircraft that are being rented.

Agreed. The question is how intrusive that system ought to be. It would
be simple to subvert anything that's not intrusive. OTOH I've run into
places that want a copy of my driver license, pilot certificate, medical
certificate, logbook, and my SSN before renting.

Jose

I would think that a copy of your certificates both pilot & medical along
with the log book ought to be OK. Since there isn't a photo on any of those
I can understand getting the DL. But I can see no reason for the SSN.

In article , Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote:

I would think that a copy of your certificates both pilot & medical along
with the log book ought to be OK. Since there isn't a photo on any of those
I can understand getting the DL. But I can see no reason for the SSN.

Well, you see, the *real* reason for the SSN requirement is because the
FBO -- bless their heart -- wants to make sure you would be covered by
disability payments out of the U.S. Social Security system should you
get badly injured in an aviation accident, instead of their insurance
carrier footing the bill.

/VERY tongue-in-cheek

Beats me why they'd require the SSN, especially since it was never
intended to be a national identification number, and I don't think the
Social Security system is a particular concern of the FBO...

-Dan

Beats me why they'd require the SSN

Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it. For many people
it still does.

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Dan Foster wrote:
Beats me why they'd require the SSN, especially since it was never
intended to be a national identification number, and I don't think the
Social Security system is a particular concern of the FBO...

The way it works is that there is nothing that prevents a
business from asking for it, and nothing that compels you
to give it (and nothing that compels the business to do
business with you either); most people are completely
careless with their privacy -- or more scary about any other
information, including information entrusted to them by, say,
customers -- and give any information to whoever asks. My
take, when asked for SSN by someone who has no legitimate
reason to be asking for it (i.e., anyone except the IRS,
employer, bank and unfortunately the DMV) is to put 'DO NOT USE'
as the answer, the worst that can happen is that you might have
to find another place to conduct your business (which is
not as bad as what could happen by giving away the info
carelessly); alternatively, if you feel like it, you could
also give away any number between 987-65-4320 and
987-65-4329 inclusive which are numbers used by the administration
to run tests and guaranteed never to be assigned to anyone...

oh well, here I go again, a pet peeve of mine :-))

--Sylvain

"Dan Foster" wrote

Beats me why they'd require the SSN, especially since it was never
intended to be a national identification number, and I don't think the
Social Security system is a particular concern of the FBO...

It is my understanding that it is against the law to be required to give
your SS#, to anyone besides a government agency.
--
Jim in NC

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:26:45 GMT, Jose
wrote:

However, renting an aircraft to an unqualified pilot would seem
irresponsible.

Yes, but how much checking would you expect or tolerate. Would you
expect the FBO to examine your license, medical, and logbook before
every flight? Would you expect them to rent to you for a one week trip
if you would be out of passenger currency halfway through that week?

My FBO's reservation computer has the expiration dates for the pilots
medical and BFR. If you show up for a reservation and are out of
date, they ask you to show them the new one before giving you the key.