ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

Skywise wrote in
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Snipola
Damn...now I'm curious again. I'll have to see if I can
google anything up on this. It may all just be poppycock,
though.

Here's what I've found, some of which may have been stated
by others already.

Some gov't agencies can require your SSN *IF* required by
law.

All gov't agencies are required to provide a disclosure
statement stating how and why they are required by law
to have your SSN.

No gov't agency can deny you services for not providing
your SSN *unless* they are required to have it by law.
(see first point above) They may *think* they require it
but unless they can provide a disclosure statement as
required by law which states the law that requires them
to use it, they probably don't have a right to it. (see
point two above)

Private business cannot compel you to provide your SSN
unless the transaction involves notification of the IRS.

No law prevents private business from asking for your
SSN, and no law exists to prevent them from refusing to
do business with you for refusing to release your SSN.

It seems the only legal right any private business has with
your SSN is for tax purposes (such as your employer). Not
even insurers, creditors, or banks can *require* it. If
they insist on it, you are encouraged to complain to higher
levels as they may have policies to allow the use of an
alternate number that the peeons aren't aware of. If they
continue to insist, you are encouraged to take your business
elsewhere.

As always, there are the scattered exceptions to the rules,
and each state may have additional laws.

Information gleaned from:
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs10-ssn.htm

Brian
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Skywise wrote:

Not
even insurers, creditors, or banks can *require* it.

Banks can require it, since they are obligated to report certain transactions to
the IRS.

George Patterson
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your slightly older self.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Banks can require it, since they are obligated to report certain
transactions to the IRS.

Anyone can require it. If you decline, they can refuse to do business with
you.

It's like those stupid binding arbitration agreements that stock brokers all
use now. You have a choice to refuse them, but then you can't use any real
financial services, because there aren't any companies that don't have them.

Pete

Private business cannot compel you to provide your SSN
unless the transaction involves notification of the IRS.

No law prevents private business from asking for your
SSN, and no law exists to prevent them from refusing to
do business with you for refusing to release your SSN.

These two together (both of which are in fact true) do give the lie to
the word "compel" though.

Jose
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Jose wrote:
These two together (both of which are in fact true) do give the lie to
the word "compel" though.

that's how ID cards, rfid and/or biometric IDs/passports, etc.
are being snuck in pretty much everywhe hey, it's not compulsory,
but if you don't have one, you won't be allowed to fly, ride the
train, take the bus, drive, etc.

--Sylvain