Pop-up IFR from Clearance Delivery

"Brad Z" wrote in message
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It may not be a clearance delivery position. Here at FCI, the RCO
puts us in contact with a Potomac Tracon controller, not the class C
Richmond CD controller located 11 miles away. Its the same guy
who answers our calls on the departure frequency is the same guy
answering the RCO for getting
clearances.


The Class C Richmond clearance delivery controller located 11 miles away?
Wasn't Richmond approach one of the facilities combined to create Potomac
approach? The clearance delivery position at RIC is a tower position, not a
TRACON position.

Although many use RCO, Remote Communications Outlet, to refer to any remote
FAA radio, it's actually a tool of FSS. Terminal ATC facilities use RTRs,
Remote Transmitter/Receivers, and Centers use RCAGs, Remote Communications
Air/Ground facilities.

Yes, but clearance delivery at Richmond is a position in the tower. Using
RTR (thank you for your clarification) you are talking to an approach
controller at Potomac Tracon. The point I was trying to make is that at
least at Chesterfield, the guy you talk to on the "clearance delivery"
frequency is not simply the local CD person in the nearby Class C tower, but
an approach controller actively controlling aircraft in his sector. Point
being, he doesn't have to coordinate anything-- it's his airspace.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Brad Z" wrote in message
news:Pdr7c.55839$_w.891264@attbi_s53...

It may not be a clearance delivery position. Here at FCI, the RCO
puts us in contact with a Potomac Tracon controller, not the class C
Richmond CD controller located 11 miles away. Its the same guy
who answers our calls on the departure frequency is the same guy
answering the RCO for getting
clearances.


The Class C Richmond clearance delivery controller located 11 miles away?
Wasn't Richmond approach one of the facilities combined to create Potomac
approach? The clearance delivery position at RIC is a tower position, not
a
TRACON position.

Although many use RCO, Remote Communications Outlet, to refer to any
remote
FAA radio, it's actually a tool of FSS. Terminal ATC facilities use RTRs,
Remote Transmitter/Receivers, and Centers use RCAGs, Remote Communications
Air/Ground facilities.

"Brad Z" wrote in message
news:frO7c.61209$1p.1020168@attbi_s54...

Yes, but clearance delivery at Richmond is a position in the tower.


Yes, and it has nothing to do with operations at Chesterfield.



Using
RTR (thank you for your clarification) you are talking to an approach
controller at Potomac Tracon. The point I was trying to make is that at
least at Chesterfield, the guy you talk to on the "clearance delivery"
frequency is not simply the local CD person in the nearby Class C tower,
but an approach controller actively controlling aircraft in his sector.
Point
being, he doesn't have to coordinate anything-- it's his airspace.


I believe I said that.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Although many use RCO, Remote Communications Outlet, to refer to any remote
FAA radio, it's actually a tool of FSS. Terminal ATC facilities use RTRs,
Remote Transmitter/Receivers, and Centers use RCAGs, Remote Communications
Air/Ground facilities.

And a newer service, the GCO, Ground Communication Outlet, maybe used to contact
either FSS or Clearance Delivery. Click your radio transmitter slowly 4 times
to contact Approach Control (Clearance Delivery) or click slowly 6 times to
contact Flight Service. The GCO will connect to the appropriate facility via a
telephone line, and when they answer you may transmit/receive to them via this
phone patch. GCO's are not intended to be used from the air.

They all appear to use the same frequency, 121.75 Mhz nationwide in the USA.
GCOs allow a direct line on the ground in places where it has not been possible
to place a RCO due to their need for an expensive dedicated 24 hour/7 day
landline. The approach control option may not be available at all GCO
locations. After a period of time without receiving a transmission the GCO
will timeout and disconnect the phone patch.

GCOs are listed in U.S. Government flight information publications in their
terminal charts (instrument approach plates) and in the Airport/Facility
Directory.