ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

Seems to be to me, that everyone's SS number is "out there" and here's
why.

1) Can't get a credit card without one.
2) Drivers license.
3) Most hospitals require it.
4) Social Security has it (and their data base has been compromised
int he past.)
5) Phone company (cell and landline require it)

And probably lot's more places like buying a home etc.

So, I wonder just how one can keep the number private?





On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:54:27 -0800, Sylvain wrote:

Skywise wrote:

My understanding is that of those four listed, only the
IRS has a legal right to the number.

that was my understanding too, but it seems that the
DMV can indeed require it, at least here in California
(I can dig it up if you'd like, it's probably buried in
my privacy related doc);

oh I forgot another bunch of folks who demand (and
use rather casually SSN#): anything to do with the
military it seems whether directly or indirectly (e.g.,
you wont be able to register for a high altitude training
without it, the CAP for some reason demand it, etc.)

--Sylvain

On 07 Jan 2006 22:03:41 GMT, (Jay Masino)
wrote in ::

The unfortunate thruth is that the aviation community is *far*
from the close knit community that some people like to pretend it is.

What would you suggest we do to change that?

Jay Masino wrote:
snip
The thing that upsets me is that, even though almost 20,000 people have
submitted comments to the FAA on the NPR for making the ADIZ permanent,
there are something like 400,000 AOPA members. Where the hell are the
other 380,000 AOPA members/pilots? Why aren't they submiting
comments? The unfortunate thruth is that the aviation community is *far*
from the close knit community that some people like to pretend it is.

And there's a reason for that. Pilots have attitudes, and it gets in
the way of that close knit community thing.

Terry wrote:
1) Can't get a credit card without one.

fair enough, but that's because they check
your credit history and these bozos of the credit
bureaus keep using SSN#...

Note that you can protect yourself a bit here, by
putting a freeze on your credit history (you have
to contact all credit bureaus and ask for it, and
they'll charge you money for the privilege, ten
bucks each); so even if someone's steal your SSN#,
you can limit the potential damage to some extent.

3) Most hospitals require it.

you tell them no. and it works, there is nothing they
can do about it. All they need to know
is your insurance information (which shouldn't mention
your SSN#); it might take some arguing -- some people
just don't like to do things differently if they have
'always done it that way' -- but just keep smiling,
be polite, and stand your ground.

Now the health insurance demand the number as well, and
it is also possible to tell them no, but it is tricky; I
didn't manage there... but I got them to abide by the
California Civil Code Section 1798.85 and they don't
use it as a ID number... that's the best I was able to
obtain here...


5) Phone company (cell and landline require it)

you can tell them no, and it works too. I used
pre-paid plans for my cell phone, and the only number
they care to know is that of my credit card :-)

but you are right: there are far too many people who
demand this number even though they have no legitimate
reasons to know it.

--Sylvain

Terry wrote in
:

Seems to be to me, that everyone's SS number is "out there" and here's
why.

1) Can't get a credit card without one.
2) Drivers license.
3) Most hospitals require it.
4) Social Security has it (and their data base has been compromised
int he past.)
5) Phone company (cell and landline require it)

And probably lot's more places like buying a home etc.

So, I wonder just how one can keep the number private?

Not easily, I'll admit.

The problem is that people were giving it out so freely
to begin with due to their own complacency/ignorance/gullibity.
Now it's like **** in the ocean. Because so many people so
willingly allowed their SSN to be used for things it was
never intended to be used for, it's now considered normal
and everyone expects you to just cough it up whenever they
ask for it.

It's become this way because people allowed it to. And it
didn't happen overnight.

Reversing the course won't happen overnight either. But if
people start refusing to allow their SSN to be used so
gratuitously, things will turn around.

It'll take time. It won't be easy at first. But if people
want to change things, they have to start somewhere.

Unfortunately, I realize it probably won't happen without
something forcing the issue, such as government legislation.
Most people are all too willing to bitch and moan about a
problem, but how many of them are actually willing to do
something, even a little thing, to change it.

It's always "let someone else fix it".

sigh

Brian
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there are far too many people who
demand this number even though they have no legitimate
reasons to know it.

Not to mention all those that have "just the last four digits". Most of
the rest of the digits can be reconstructed by anybody who knows how the
system is set up.

Jose
--
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"John T" wrote in message
m...
Happy Dog wrote:

You fly? You couldn't do this? FSS, *any* ATC. A student should be
able to fihure this out.

You're right. Why didn't this student (Martin)? Why didn't Shaeffer?

I agree that they're idiots. But I was referring to the entire US
Government effort directed at intercepting them. This incursion was a
foreseeable occurrance and they seriously botched it.

snip Monday Morning QBing

Funny. Isn't that what you're doing?

Hardly.

The fact remains Shaeffer screwed us all with this stunt and largely
because of him (and the overreaction by DC officials), we face a
*permanent* ADIZ. Now you come along and appear sympathetic to him.

I don't much care about him. He got a bit worse than I think he deserved.
But not as bad as he could have. Any interaction with law enforcement is
like that. This was fairly ordinary.

Let him cry on your shoulder, if you'd like. I'm too busy dealing with
the consequences of his actions to be sympathetic to him in the least.

Godlike.

moo

The thing that upsets me is that, even though almost 20,000 people have
submitted comments to the FAA on the NPR for making the ADIZ permanent,
there are something like 400,000 AOPA members. Where the hell are the
other 380,000 AOPA members/pilots? Why aren't they submiting
comments? The unfortunate thruth is that the aviation community is *far*
from the close knit community that some people like to pretend it is.

How true!

Getting pilots to agree on anything is like herding cats.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:18:40 -0800, Sylvain wrote in
::

I used pre-paid plans for my cell phone,

Do all providers offer pre-paid plans?

Larry Dighera wrote:
I used pre-paid plans for my cell phone,
Do all providers offer pre-paid plans?

no and if you compare cost on a dollars per minute
basis, it is usually a bad deal (if you are a heavy
user); however, since I use few minutes, and the
plan I have carry over the ones I don't use, it's
good enough for my purpose.

--Sylvain