Lancaster California: Another Fatal Cirrus Crash

1. From the local TV news, the plane's engine quited when it turned
crosswind. It immediately dove down to the ground after engine quit.


2. Prior to the crash, it's done many touch and go on the William Fox
Field (KWJF).

3. Note that the temporature here in Southern California was over 76
degree in downtown LA. I would guess it must be close to high 80 or
even 90s in the desert. (The crash happend on 1:40PM)

4. From the TV news, local sheriff saw the chute ejected after it hit
the ground. But can't be determined by official yet.

5. The plane was a rental at VNY Gene Hudson Aviation.

My friend's SR22 had experienced engine quit last summer when he took
off from Las Vegas in a hot day, with fully loaded, with air-condition
turned on. It was caused by engine vapor lock. Fortuntely he ws high
and was close to JEAN ( 0L7). He made a successful dead stick landing
at JEAN. His wife on the side sreamed ...pull the chute..pull the
chute...but he did not attempted.

On 10 Jan 2006 22:23:21 -0800, "cpu" wrote in
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1. From the local TV news,

Perhaps that story is available on their web-site. Can you provide
the TV station's web address?

the plane's engine quited when it turned crosswind. It immediately
dove down to the ground after engine quit.

That observation would be consistent with a stall/spin.

2. Prior to the crash, it's done many touch and go on the William Fox
Field (KWJF).

3. Note that the temporature here in Southern California was over 76
degree in downtown LA. I would guess it must be close to high 80 or
even 90s in the desert. (The crash happend on 1:40PM)

4. From the TV news, local sheriff saw the chute ejected after it hit
the ground. But can't be determined by official yet.

5. The plane was a rental at VNY Gene Hudson Aviation.

My friend's SR22 had experienced engine quit last summer when he took
off from Las Vegas in a hot day, with fully loaded, with air-condition
turned on. It was caused by engine vapor lock. Fortuntely he ws high
and was close to JEAN ( 0L7). He made a successful dead stick landing
at JEAN. His wife on the side sreamed ...pull the chute..pull the
chute...but he did not attempted.

Wouldn't turning the fuel pump on be expected to clear the vapor lock?

Larry Dighera wrote:

Wouldn't turning the fuel pump on be expected to clear the vapor lock?

Interestingly, many of the local A&P comments in response to the 2002 fatal
crash of a Cirrus north of Syracuse, NY, suggested that these high
performance engines were not designed for repeated full power/low power
settings, as what happens over numerous touch and gos or, in the case of
the 2002 crash, repeated stall practice.

--
Peter

5. The plane was a rental at VNY Gene Hudson Aviation.

That was my first thought, since they are the only ones I know of that train
in Cirrus around here, but that plane was not their tail #.
As far as I know they only have 1 SR20 for rent, and it's a different tail
#.

It was a windy day in S. Ca., which tells me the gusts were really high
around Fox (normal cenario), but news reports said wind was calm.
I have never seen a windy day in S. Ca. where it wasn't even windier at Fox.

I have been hit by gusts in that pattern that really made me pucker up.
I'm sure we'll be hearing more about it.
Alex

They've removed the crashed aircraft, quickly. You can still see the
cached version in Google by typing N526CD and click their cached
version web content.

That's tragic. Hitting a little close to home for me. I'll bet I met the
instructor at the last Cirrus demo in Van Nuys. I noticed only one other
instructor on the web site now too, so yeah, they removed her name already.
That's if it is who I think it is.
The local news will probably release the names in the next couple days.
Alex
"cpu" wrote in message
oups.com...
They've removed the crashed aircraft, quickly. You can still see the
cached version in Google by typing N526CD and click their cached
version web content.

#1ACGuy wrote:
That's tragic. Hitting a little close to home for me. I'll bet I met the
instructor at the last Cirrus demo in Van Nuys. I noticed only one other
instructor on the web site now too, so yeah, they removed her name already.
That's if it is who I think it is.

It's not, she is alive and well, checked in on a message board right
away.
It was a male instructor I am told. (not Gene Hudson)

The local news will probably release the names in the next couple days.
The student is a husband and a father of a small child.
My friend called his wife the same night and found out it was him.

It tears your heart out.
We all don't know what happened, and we may never know.

You can just barely understand how the family must feel. This was
supposed to be the best and newest and the safest. Spared no expense.
And then this.

It's hard to hear one close to home. There were familiar faces in my
home field, the next day they were gone (hit the radio tower near
airport, night VFR went terribly wrong....etc.)

Been attended one of the FAA Wings seminar at Gene's school. One of
the best ones. My heart and thoughts go to the families and love ones
of deceased. RIP

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:46:42 -0800, "#1ACGuy"
wrote in ::


5. The plane was a rental at VNY Gene Hudson Aviation.

That was my first thought, since they are the only ones I know of that train
in Cirrus around here, but that plane was not their tail #.

http://www.genehudson.com/ghft/ac4rent.html
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On 10 Jan 2006 22:23:21 -0800, "cpu" wrote:

1. From the local TV news, the plane's engine quited when it turned
crosswind. It immediately dove down to the ground after engine quit.

Engine quitting does not normally cause an airplane to dive to the
ground but pilot screwing pooch does.

As Larry said, sounds like stall spin.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

2. Prior to the crash, it's done many touch and go on the William Fox
Field (KWJF).

3. Note that the temporature here in Southern California was over 76
degree in downtown LA. I would guess it must be close to high 80 or
even 90s in the desert. (The crash happend on 1:40PM)

4. From the TV news, local sheriff saw the chute ejected after it hit
the ground. But can't be determined by official yet.

5. The plane was a rental at VNY Gene Hudson Aviation.

My friend's SR22 had experienced engine quit last summer when he took
off from Las Vegas in a hot day, with fully loaded, with air-condition
turned on. It was caused by engine vapor lock. Fortuntely he ws high
and was close to JEAN ( 0L7). He made a successful dead stick landing
at JEAN. His wife on the side sreamed ...pull the chute..pull the
chute...but he did not attempted.