Newbie holding questions

In the real world, you'll probably never get to that fix without getting another
clearance limit unless

I suspect that we're tripping over "clearance limit". IF you got a
clearance that said hold at xxx VOR, expect flight planned route at
12:30 Zulu, you'd know what to do. If you arrived at xxx VOR after
12:30 Zulu, you'd never enter the hold. No delay.

If you got a clearance that said "cleared to xxx VOR, expect flight
planned route as soon as you arrive at xxx VOR", then you also know what
to do. Upon reaching xxx VOR NORDO, you'd never enter the hold. No delay.

But "expect flight planned route as soon as you arrive at xxx VOR" is
nonstandard phraseology. The proper way to say this is "expect no delay".

And there we are.

Jose
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On 01/11/06 11:44, Jose wrote:
In the real world, you'll probably never get to that fix without getting another
clearance limit unless

I suspect that we're tripping over "clearance limit". IF you got a
clearance that said hold at xxx VOR, expect flight planned route at
12:30 Zulu, you'd know what to do. If you arrived at xxx VOR after
12:30 Zulu, you'd never enter the hold. No delay.

Even if your radio is still working? I was taught to do what you say
*only* when the radio is not working.


If you got a clearance that said "cleared to xxx VOR, expect flight
planned route as soon as you arrive at xxx VOR", then you also know what
to do. Upon reaching xxx VOR NORDO, you'd never enter the hold. No delay.

But "expect flight planned route as soon as you arrive at xxx VOR" is
nonstandard phraseology. The proper way to say this is "expect no delay".

Okay. And if you arrive over the VOR (and are not NORDO and haven't received
any further clearance) you would need to hold - because this is your clearance
limit.


And there we are.

Jose


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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
...

I suspect that we're tripping over "clearance limit". IF you got a
clearance that said hold at xxx VOR, expect flight planned route at 12:30
Zulu, you'd know what to do. If you arrived at xxx VOR after 12:30 Zulu,
you'd never enter the hold. No delay.


Even if your radio is still working? I was taught to do what you say
*only* when the radio is not working.


Were you ever specifically told what to do in that situation when the radio
is working?

Even if your radio is still working? I was taught to do what you say
*only* when the radio is not working.

The scenario was NORDO. If you have communication, you just ask.

Jose
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On 01/11/06 12:13, Jose wrote:
Even if your radio is still working? I was taught to do what you say
*only* when the radio is not working.

The scenario was NORDO. If you have communication, you just ask.

Jose

Okay, now we're going in circles ;-) I'll give up.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

Okay, now we're going in circles ;-)

No.. it should be an oval. One minute legs...

Jose
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