Iced up Cirrus descends by BRS

"Matt Whiting" wrote in
Thomas Borchert wrote:

Ron,

Stupid pilot tricks have nothing to do at all with the chute. In fact, GA
pilots have managed to get themselves killed in a wide range of stupid
tricks since 1905 or so, thank you very much. Blaming the chute in any
way is a red herring. Compare the accident stats of new Cessna 182 (and
only the new ones) with those of the Cirrus, like some publicatin
recently did. They are very similar. That possibly tells us something
about what kind of pilot can afford a new plane. It also tells us there
is not really an issue with the Cirrus, apart from pilot factors.

It also tells you that the chute is providing no benefit with respect to
the accident rate.

Accident rate or injury rate? And, I think it's clear that few people here
believe that it helps much in the most typical types of accidents.

moo

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
Thomas Borchert wrote:

Baloney. They may be good PR for Cirrus, and I've long suspected this
was the only motivation behind including them, but they are lousy PR for
GA overall.

Yep, 3 dead would have been much better PR for GA. And the plane would
probably have shedded the ice while spinning through 5000, too. Great!

What's wrong with you guys?

Thomas Borchert (EDDH)


Nothing Thomas. Some of use sense an issue that cannot be resolved by
the BRS crutch.

"Crutch"? Name some non-crutch recent innovations in GA and have this
thrown back at you.

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote:
What's wrong with you guys?

Thomas Borchert (EDDH)


Nothing Thomas. Some of use sense an issue that cannot be resolved by
the BRS crutch.

"Crutch"? Name some non-crutch recent innovations in GA and have this
thrown back at you.

I don't have to. I am making a comment about the BRS so the
discussion is about the BRS, not ADS-B, GPS, Cheap inertials, etc.

Ron Lee

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
"Happy Dog" wrote:
What's wrong with you guys?

Thomas Borchert (EDDH)


Nothing Thomas. Some of use sense an issue that cannot be resolved by
the BRS crutch.

"Crutch"? Name some non-crutch recent innovations in GA and have this
thrown back at you.

I don't have to. I am making a comment about the BRS so the
discussion is about the BRS, not ADS-B, GPS, Cheap inertials, etc.

You are making an unjustified comment about the BRS. And I'm not surprised
that you don't even try to put some logic behind it. If you did, you'd find
that you're describing other innovations that nobody thinks of as crutches.
I suggest you use your superior judgment skills here and avoid a debate on
this.

moo

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message news:
Darkwing wrote:
That's true in any situation and our Armchair Quarterbacking will always
make sense after the fact. But if the thing truly did go out of control I
don't think I would "hope" that a warmer lower level would shed the ice
and allow me to regain control, assuming of course the wings stayed
attached. I think I'd rather read that the chute "saved" the lives of 3
GA pilots and passengers instead of another GA plane crash in bad weather
that caused the plane to "stall". The chute, whatever your opinion as a
pilot, is a good PR story for GA.

Baloney. They may be good PR for Cirrus, and I've long suspected this was
the only motivation behind including them, but they are lousy PR for GA
overall.

How so? And how do you know it?

moo