ARE RAMP CHECKS RAMPING UP?

I've been advised by an attorney who specializes in aviation matters
that if you are requested to present your certificates and medical,
that you carefully specify you are NOT SURRENDERING your certificates
but presenting them for purusal.
This came about many years ago when I was making a lot of flights into
Mexico for corporate ops and frequently was asked to present my
credentials. To avoid any problems, I made copies that I presented
rather than my originals that I kept in my pocket.
Alchemy Video Productions of New Orleans did a couple of presentations
for ramp checks and other FAA "visits" that are nice to know. Not sure
if they are in current production after Katrina and its devastation.

On 24 Jan 2006 08:32:14 -0800, "
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I made copies that I presented rather than my originals

Given the overreaching attitude of the FSDO inspectors involved in the
Hoover Emergency Revocation, that sounds like a prudent response.
However, I would expect there to be some formal sort of document of
surrender necessary for you to sign in that event.

Originally Posted by Larry Dighera

On 24 Jan 2006 08:32:14 -0800, "
wrote in
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I made copies that I presented rather than my originals

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Copies are not acceptable. If the inspector wants to see your certificate, then he wants to see the certificate, not a copy of the certificate. The certificate is not yours, you are in possesion, but it actually belongs to the US government. In other words, if you don't let him examine the original certificate, then you are in violation. The regs don't mention that a copy is acceptable. Same thing goes for the airworthiness certicficate or registration certificate in the aircraft.

The only way that you can officially surrender your pilot certificate is in
response to a letter from the FAA in which you certify that you understand
that you are surrendering it and the consequences thereof. Handing your
certificate to an FAA representative can in no way be interpreted as
surrender.

Bob Gardner

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I've been advised by an attorney who specializes in aviation matters
that if you are requested to present your certificates and medical,
that you carefully specify you are NOT SURRENDERING your certificates
but presenting them for purusal.
This came about many years ago when I was making a lot of flights into
Mexico for corporate ops and frequently was asked to present my
credentials. To avoid any problems, I made copies that I presented
rather than my originals that I kept in my pocket.
Alchemy Video Productions of New Orleans did a couple of presentations
for ramp checks and other FAA "visits" that are nice to know. Not sure
if they are in current production after Katrina and its devastation.

Handing your
certificate to an FAA representative can in no way be interpreted as
surrender.

.... but if the FAA representative decides to "hold on to it for a while
while we investigate..." and you are supposed to fly home now, before
the weather closes in, you are effectively grounded.

What recourse?

Jose
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by Jose Jan 24, 2006 at 05:57 PM


.... but if the FAA representative decides to "hold on to it for a while
while we investigate..." and you are supposed to fly home now, before
the weather closes in, you are effectively grounded.

What recourse?

Several, but here is another heavily subsidized alternative:

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/Conten...mtrak/HomePage

Jose wrote:
Handing your certificate to an FAA representative can in no way be
interpreted as surrender.


... but if the FAA representative decides to "hold on to it for a while
while we investigate..." and you are supposed to fly home now, before
the weather closes in, you are effectively grounded.

First off he can't do that. It has, however, happened. The manager of
that FSDO personally returned the certificate to the pilot with the
apologies of the agency. That pilot flew home without the certificate
when the event happened. I wouldn't hesitate to do the same.