My home airport had a crash this morning

"B a r r y" wrote in message
m...
Or, one could simply bracket the link

Actually,. both worked for that URL, but when you get *really* long URLs,
the angle brackets don't always work...

You don't need thrust reversers to stop a Citation 560. BRAKES stop
jets. There are MANY Lear jets running around all the time without
reversers at all.

In the performance charts I've seen, stopping distance in predicated on
using no thrust reverse. It's nice to have and makes lots of cool noise
but generally unnecessary for corporate jets.

Karl

On 25 Jan 2006 12:01:00 -0800, "karl gruber"
wrote in .com::

You don't need thrust reversers to stop a Citation 560. BRAKES stop
jets.

Given the recent revelation, that the gear appeared to be up, brakes
may not have been too useful in stopping this aircraft.

In the performance charts I've seen, stopping distance in predicated on
using no thrust reverse.

From the manufacturer's performance information available here
http://encoreplus.cessna.com/specifications.chtml, it's unclear if
reverse thrust was included in the 2,770 foot landing distance
specification. However, given the 7 knot tailwind at the time, TR may
have been a good idea (not to mention lowering the gear).

It's beginning to look like there may have been a pilot incapacitation
issue involved. Do you know if the Citation 560 is certified for
single pilot operation?

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:13:42 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

It's beginning to look like there may have been a pilot incapacitation
issue involved. Do you know if the Citation 560 is certified for
single pilot operation?

Another posting here indicated that there was a co-pilot.

Could it be possible that they had the whole flight programmed into the FMS and then had
a Pane Stewart type problem and the plane finished the flight?

Paul

wrote:

Could it be possible that they had the whole flight programmed into the FMS and then had
a Pane Stewart type problem and the plane finished the flight?

In this case, wouldn't there have been reports of the aircraft being NORDO
for the last half of the flight?

--
Peter

Yeah, what's 60,000 for new brakes?

karl gruber wrote:
You don't need thrust reversers to stop a Citation 560. BRAKES stop
jets. There are MANY Lear jets running around all the time without
reversers at all.

In the performance charts I've seen, stopping distance in predicated on
using no thrust reverse.

Not all jets. exceptions should not be allowed.

It's nice to have and makes lots of cool noise
but generally unnecessary for corporate jets.

Karl

On 25 Jan 2006 12:01:00 -0800, "karl gruber"
wrote:

You don't need thrust reversers to stop a Citation 560. BRAKES stop
jets. There are MANY Lear jets running around all the time without
reversers at all.

In the performance charts I've seen, stopping distance in predicated on
using no thrust reverse. It's nice to have and makes lots of cool noise
but generally unnecessary for corporate jets.

The Falcon 900 that landed on our 3800 foot runway sure used them.
They went on as soon as the nose wheel came down and with the
judicious use of brakes managed to get stopped by the end of the
runway. :-)) Without the reversers he'd have been over in the mall
parking lot... or maybe in the mall.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Karl

Well Roger,

I'm typed rated in the Falcon 50 and 900. First of all, they don't have
"them." There is only one reverser on a 900, on the center engine. NONE
of Dassaults landing performance charts are predicated on using
reversers--NONE. If they landed on your 3800 ft field you can be SURE
their computed landing distance data assured a safe landing without
reversers. BRAKES STOP JETS!!!! Further, the 50 and 900 series Falcons
are excellent short field jets because their wing design with leading
edge devices enable them to use short fields. Not their reverser!

Best,
Karl
ATP
BE30 CE500 LR-Jet DA-50, 900

"Flyingmonk" wrote:
JIm Logajan wrote:
Wow, hope all're OK.

Sadly no:

"4 Killed in Small Plane Crash in Calif.":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060124/...if_plane_crash

Sorry to hear that... My sincerest condolences to their families and
friends.

The Monk