ARE RAMP CHECKS RAMPING UP?

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:57:53 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote:

In all fairness, I'll post a follow up...

I had a "friend and we're from the FAA and we would like to help you!"

His name was Bill Whitmore.

Let me put this in context first.

Bob Hoover had given a demo flight a few weeks before in an Aero
Commander Shrike where he shut down both engines and did some really
cool stuff before he rolled to a stop in front of the crowd at the
Smyrna Tennessee airport.

Very shortly after that (a few days), a couple of flight instructors
landed at Murfreesboro and shut off the engine on the runway and had
enough speed (energy) to coast to a stop at the fuel pump.

Mr. Whitmore had driven down from Nashville, and was just chatting
with us and talking flying. It's important to know that Bill Whitmore
was "THE FAA". He was a wonderful man who had our respect.

The next thing was a learning experience for me and the rest of us.

He took them in for a "talk" in a back room at the airport shack.

We were standing outside, and sort of wondering what he was going to
do to them. We were as quiet as we could be, and sort of laughing,
but you could hear a muffled voice booming out every few minutes.

You can't believe how those two guys looked when they came out of
there.

That, to me, was the epitome of how the a senior FAA man should handle
things.

Mike Weller

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:57:53 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote:

In all fairness, I'll post a follow up...

I had a "friend and we're from the FAA and we would like to help you!"

His name was Bill Whitmore.

Let me put this in context first.

Bob Hoover had given a demo flight a few weeks before in an Aero
Commander Shrike where he shut down both engines and did some really
cool stuff before he rolled to a stop in front of the crowd at the
Smyrna Tennessee airport.

Very shortly after that (a few days), a couple of flight instructors
landed at Murfreesboro and shut off the engine on the runway and had
enough speed (energy) to coast to a stop at the fuel pump.

Mr. Whitmore had driven down from Nashville, and was just chatting
with us and talking flying. It's important to know that Bill Whitmore
was "THE FAA". He was a wonderful man who had our respect.

The next thing was a learning experience for me and the rest of us.

He took them in for a "talk" in a back room at the airport shack.

We were standing outside, and sort of wondering what he was going to
do to them. We were as quiet as we could be, and sort of laughing,
but you could hear a muffled voice booming out every few minutes.

You can't believe how those two guys looked when they came out of
there.

That, to me, was the epitome of how the a senior FAA man should handle
things.

Mike Weller


Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the FAA if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense. I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:

Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the FAA if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense. I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Mike Weller

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:

Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the FAA
if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up
with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense. I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Mike Weller


Inquiring minds want to know why?

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Mike Weller" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the FAA
if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up
with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense. I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Mike Weller



Inquiring minds want to know why?

What did they do wrong? What actual reg did they break? Was there some
kind of safety violation?

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:42:05 -0600, Cal Vanize
wrote:

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Mike Weller" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the FAA
if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up
with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense. I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Mike Weller



Inquiring minds want to know why?

What did they do wrong? What actual reg did they break? Was there some
kind of safety violation?

Now that is good question.

For many reasons pilots, and flight instructors in particular, are
expected to be better than average.

You don't have to break a "reg" to show that maybe, just maybe, that
what you're doing is not the right thing to do.

It's a very fine line sometimes.

My opinion of the incident was that the pilots stepped over the line
and deserved to get being chewed out by Mr. Whitmore.

Mike Weller

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:42:05 -0600, Cal Vanize
wrote:

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Mike Weller" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the
FAA
if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember
doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up
with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense.
I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Mike Weller



Inquiring minds want to know why?

What did they do wrong? What actual reg did they break? Was there some
kind of safety violation?

Now that is good question.

For many reasons pilots, and flight instructors in particular, are
expected to be better than average.

You don't have to break a "reg" to show that maybe, just maybe, that
what you're doing is not the right thing to do.

It's a very fine line sometimes.

My opinion of the incident was that the pilots stepped over the line
and deserved to get being chewed out by Mr. Whitmore.

Mike Weller

On other words you don't have an answer.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:09:27 -0600, Mike Weller
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:42:05 -0600, Cal Vanize
wrote:

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Mike Weller" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the FAA
if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up
with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense. I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Inquiring minds want to know why?

What did they do wrong? What actual reg did they break? Was there some
kind of safety violation?

Now that is good question.

For many reasons pilots, and flight instructors in particular, are
expected to be better than average.

You don't have to break a "reg" to show that maybe, just maybe, that
what you're doing is not the right thing to do.

It's a very fine line sometimes.

My opinion of the incident was that the pilots stepped over the line
and deserved to get being chewed out by Mr. Whitmore.

Sounds like they were showing energy conservation and exchange of
kinetic energy for friction, timing things perfectly to barely need
brakes at the fuel station.

Mike Weller wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:42:05 -0600, Cal Vanize
wrote:


Dave Stadt wrote:

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:



Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the FAA
if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up
with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense. I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Mike Weller



Inquiring minds want to know why?

What did they do wrong? What actual reg did they break? Was there some
kind of safety violation?


Now that is good question.

For many reasons pilots, and flight instructors in particular, are
expected to be better than average.

You don't have to break a "reg" to show that maybe, just maybe, that
what you're doing is not the right thing to do.

It's a very fine line sometimes.

My opinion of the incident was that the pilots stepped over the line
and deserved to get being chewed out by Mr. Whitmore.

Mike Weller


I'm STILL trying to figure out what "line" was crossed and what the
chewing was all about.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:48:51 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


"Mike Weller" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:43:04 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:

Handle what things? Guess I am dense but what business is it of the FAA
if
I want to shut down and coast to the pumps? In fact I can remember doing
just that on a couple of occasions. Seems safer to me than rolling up
with
the meat cleaver spinning. Sorry, but the story doesn't make sense. I'd
say Mr. Whitmore stuck his nose where it didn't belong.


Put it into the context of when and where it happened.

They shut off the engine on the runway, the prop stopped, and then
they rolled at least a another quarter of a mile after making a 45
degree turn off the runway, rolled down the taxiway, and the made
another quick turn and stop to get to the gas pumps.

Impressive, but not exactly the thing to do in front of "THE MAN".

Mike Weller


Inquiring minds want to know why?


Why? Because it's there.

Mike Weller