421C down in Washington State

wrote:
I recently talked with an owner of a 421 that had relatively low multi

engine time. He was partnered with another multi pilot. Both are
instrument rated. He told me that the first year's insurance was over
$7000
and that was after a Flight Safety course and 60 hours with high time
421
MEI.

I've read about new Cirrus SR22 owners paying $8000 for their first
year's insurance. That seems incredible to me that a cabin-class
pressurized turbo'd twin like a 421 could cost less to insure than a
fixed-gear single.

Hull values are similar and the liability issues probable are too.

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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Non-instrument-rated pilot and his 421C are down in the vicinity of
Carson, WA. Last reported at 11000 (?). The mind boggles. Weather is not
too swift in the Seattle area...dunno the condx down there.


I'm near the Gorge, in the Portland area, and haven't flown in a month
because of the wind/weather. Waiting to get my approaches in, but the
weather's not even good enough for IFR practice most days. (No approach at
the home field)

-c

"gatt" wrote in message
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"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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Non-instrument-rated pilot and his 421C are down in the vicinity of
Carson, WA. Last reported at 11000 (?). The mind boggles. Weather is not
too swift in the Seattle area...dunno the condx down there.


I'm near the Gorge, in the Portland area, and haven't flown in a month
because of the wind/weather. Waiting to get my approaches in, but the
weather's not even good enough for IFR practice most days. (No approach
at
the home field)

-c



You have a NDB at KTTD!

Why?
I can't read the minds of the insurance co's so I'll pass on that.

Mary and I have priced insurance in all sorts of planes. Neither of us are
instrument rated, and insurance costs are only marginally higher.

The final quote was an additional $1200/yr for the lack of an
instrument rating. However, he did have a commercial. He did have
Mooney time.
For a pilot low time w/o retactable time the quote was an additional
$2000 the first year.

-Robert

I wanted to partner with a non-instrument rated pilot in my
Mooney and the broker almost laughed.
Why?

Ok, I'll take a guess. You can run into a lot more weather at 200knots
than 110knots in a C172???

-Robert

You have a NDB at KTTD!

What's an NDB? Is that that thing that sends "dot, dot, dot" on the
right side and "di di di" on the left side??

-Robert

That would be an Adcock Range or 4 course range. The NDB is
just a radio station that is used by the ADF as a source for
the directional loop antenna to point to.
BTW, it was .- and -. (A and N) and when on course all you
heard was a steady ____________

You flew a little to the side of the leg and thus hear a
steady tone with a slightly audible A in the background.
There was even a reed needle that could be panel ,mounted
and would vibrate. That was high tech in 1940.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ps.com...
| You have a NDB at KTTD!
|
| What's an NDB? Is that that thing that sends "dot, dot,
dot" on the
| right side and "di di di" on the left side??
|
| -Robert
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote

That would be an Adcock Range or 4 course range. The NDB is
just a radio station that is used by the ADF

Jim, you really don't catch the jokes very well, do you?

Bob Moore

I was joining the thread after deleting previous posts to
clean up my hard drive. Had thousands of mostly unwanted
stuff. Sorry if I wasn't looking for a joke in a "serious"
subject.

But I guess I can be described as a stick in the mud, a wall
flower, a geek, dork, dumb-ass,slow, out of touch, in a rut,
but hey, nobody's perfect.

Jim

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"Bob Moore" wrote in message
22...
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
|
| That would be an Adcock Range or 4 course range. The
NDB is
| just a radio station that is used by the ADF
|
| Jim, you really don't catch the jokes very well, do you?
|
| Bob Moore

I agree that a 421C can be handled by one pilot as long as things are going
well. However, should something pop up that diverts the pilot's attention,
like trying to stay out of the clouds at relatively low altitude in
mountainous terrain, it can be problematical. Had he been instrument rated,
he would have been above FL180 in the sunshine, with a lot of altitude/time
to work things out if necessary. My one and only "feather and land"
experience was in a 421C, and I was very happy that the FBO I worked for
required two pilots on IFR charters...the extra hands and brain came in
handy. Being at 14000 when the engine packed up didn't hurt. A 421 is not a
scud-running airplane.


Scott D wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:57:33 +0100, G Farris wrote:

In article . com,
says...


I would think that few insurance companies would insure a pilot in a
421 without an Instrument rating!


I don't pretend to know how the insurance companies see it, but that is a
lot of airplane to manage for a single pilot - IR rated or not. In many
ways, a KingAir would be "easier" to fly in those conditions.

GF

How is the 421C a lot of airplane for one pilot? I find it quiet easy
for one pilot. With all the switches located on the left side of the
seat, I find it much easier for one pilot to operate than for two. It
is hard for the copilot to activate a lot of stuff like the lights,
deicing/anti icing equipment... you name it. There is not much
accessible for a right seat pilot to reach without interfering with
the left seat pilot.

Scott D.

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