Haven't flown in a long while...

Flyingmonk wrote:
Just because someone might have 20,000 hours doesn't mean he's a safe pilot
in a GA aircraft. In fact, I know a couple of airline Captains (both
recently retired) that I wouldn't get in a 172 with. Neither of them have
the "love" of flying that it took to stay current with out George doing most
of the flying for them. In fact, some of the safest pilots I've been around
lately are lower-time guys. I guess it's because their mindset is that they
know they may screwup so they do everything they can to do it right. Being
"comfortable" can bite you...IMHO.

It's not the thought of dying or getting hurt that scares me, not by a
long shot. It is the thought of my girls growing w/o a father or a
crippled one, that's scary.

The Monk

If you want a safer past time or hobby. Try riding motorcycles.

by "Sport Pilot" hppilot001@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan 31, 2006 at 08:17 AM




If you want a safer past time or hobby. Try riding motorcycles

I've done a little flying and a lot of bike riding. Studies say they are
about equally risky.

My impression is that riding motorcycles is far more dangerous than
proficient flier who is cautious.

Of course, the planes make much more noise....

Skylune wrote:
by "Sport Pilot" hppilot001@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan 31, 2006 at 08:17 AM




If you want a safer past time or hobby. Try riding motorcycles

I've done a little flying and a lot of bike riding. Studies say they are
about equally risky.

My impression is that riding motorcycles is far more dangerous than
proficient flier who is cautious.

Of course, the planes make much more noise....

Statistics say that the only thing more dangerous than flying small
planes is skydiving. However that includes IFR. I recall reading in
aviation consumer years ago that VFR flying is safer than motorcycles
but still behind automobiles. IMO a lot could be done about small
aircraft safety. I recall Burt Rutan proposed a system that would
probably make IFR flying safer, but would add expense for a heads up
display.

by "Sport Pilot" Jan 31, 2006 at 10:01 AM


Statistics say that the only thing more dangerous than flying small
planes is skydiving. However that includes IFR. I recall reading in
aviation consumer years ago that VFR flying is safer than motorcycles
but still behind automobiles. IMO a lot could be done about small
aircraft safety. I recall Burt Rutan proposed a system that would
probably make IFR flying safer, but would add expense for a heads up
display.

Well, I think scuba diving is also up there as high risk. I'm not saying
that flying a small plane is not "high risk" (thats y so many life
insurance companies have exclusions for diving, flying and skydiving),
just that a cautious flyer (not pushing minimums, thourough pre flight
100% of the time, flying a relatively new plane, etc.) is safer than
riding a bike, IMO.

I don't think there will ever be a way to 100% objectively compare safety
statistics of different modes of transportation, but the most thoughtful
studies have put it about at the level of riding a bike. But I still
think flying a plane puts most of the risk on the pilot (training,
competence, currency, etc.) whereas on a motorcycle, you are at the whim
of people in cars and trucks.


I had numerous close calls on my old Yamaha RD 350 when I was in my 20s.
All caused by cars that didn't see me or just didn't care. When I flew in
the past, I wasn't really worried about a mid air. These are statistically
rare.

Of course, the planes make much more noise....

???

Clearly you've never lived in the Milwaukee area. For some reason, the
Harley crowd finds it necessary and desireable to drill out their
mufflers almost immediately after bringing their Hog home from the
dealer...

They're ubiquitous in summer, and at least twice as loud as any
airplane short of a Harrier jump jet.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

???

Clearly you've never lived in the Milwaukee area. For some reason, the
Harley crowd finds it necessary and desireable to drill out their
mufflers almost immediately after bringing their Hog home from the
dealer...

They're ubiquitous in summer, and at least twice as loud as any
airplane short of a Harrier jump jet.

If they did that in my current (New Hampshire) state, or former state (NY)
they would be ticketed by the police. There are noise laws.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Of course, the planes make much more noise....

???

Clearly you've never lived in the Milwaukee area. For some reason, the
Harley crowd finds it necessary and desireable to drill out their
mufflers almost immediately after bringing their Hog home from the
dealer...

They're ubiquitous in summer, and at least twice as loud as any
airplane short of a Harrier jump jet.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I saw this on a H/D tee shirt:

"Loud Pipes Save Lives"

I guess the sentiment is if they can't see you coming, make sure they HEAR
you coming...

Jay B

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:56:46 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:

Clearly you've never lived in the Milwaukee area. For some reason, the
Harley crowd finds it necessary and desireable to drill out their
mufflers almost immediately after bringing their Hog home from the
dealer...

This happens by design. HD decided that they should make their mufflers
with removeable baffels. This means it takes about 15-minutes to go from
legal to horribly loud levels. For each baffel removed, the db level
goes up. I'm not sure you can actually create a straight pipe (one
baffle may not come out; I'm not sure), but based on the sound levels I've
heard, I wouldn't be suprised.

Greg

"Darkwing" theducksmailATyahoo.com wrote in message
...

"Flyingmonk" wrote in message
oups.com...
I haven't flown in a long while and I'm avoiding the "Pilot
withdrawl..." thread. I've got to get my medical class III done before
Feb 15, that's when I'm turning 40 so it will last for 3 years.

Now, I've been reading about all of these recent crashes.

Man! I'm not sure if I'm upto going back up again with all these guys
ditching and all... I haven't flown in ages and that little Robinson
R22 is just a tad bigger than a Chinese top. I'm not too keen on
driving planks, I like landing in friends' back yards and sandbars out
in the country way too much.

The Monk


Yeah you read a story about some guy with a 2 million hours, 30 type
ratings, 300 endorsements and he manages to get himself killed and you
think what the hell are my chances then??? Well that is true no matter
what you do, taking a shower, getting the mail, keel over from a heart
attack watching TV, life isn't safe. You can't take it to serious cause'
you'll never get out alive!

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DW

When your time is up its up.

If you can keep from running out of fuel and fly behind a better than
average engine you lower your risk considerably.