"Going for the Visual"

Ray Andraka wrote:
I've had the same experience. I usually check in with something like
"Approach, Cherokee 3351W, level five thousand, information papa."

To change the topic a bit...

I've been flying lately with somebody who tends to leave off the "who
you're talking to" part of radio calls. He would make the above call as
simply, "Cherokee 3351W, level five thousand, information papa". It
drives me nuts, but the more I think about it, I wonder if it's really a
problem?

What do you controllers say? Do you like to have every pilot call you
by name at the beginning of each call, or is it just extraneous verbiage
that could be dropped with no harm done?

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...

To change the topic a bit...

I've been flying lately with somebody who tends to leave off the "who
you're talking to" part of radio calls. He would make the above call as
simply, "Cherokee 3351W, level five thousand, information papa". It
drives me nuts, but the more I think about it, I wonder if it's really a
problem?

What do you controllers say? Do you like to have every pilot call you
by name at the beginning of each call, or is it just extraneous verbiage
that could be dropped with no harm done?


I find being called by name to be useful, especially when it's the wrong
name.

I get called all kinds of things, and I usually joke about it that
I'm used to it being married and all.

I guess it's not such a big deal, and I dont rub it in if I get called
the wrong facility, but it'd be nice if the crew knew where they
were I'd think.

On the flip side, what if I reply "504 (leaving out airline callsign),
roger". Technically it's incorrect, and not being a walking FAR
knowitall, I'd guess you are supposed to identify what facility you are
calling, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Being called "approach" is about the only real insult, on those
occasions I may reply with the name of an airline that may
offend them, or call a Citation a twin cessna, etc.

So in summary, the wrong facility name when I'm not staring at
the scope may send up a warning flag that someone possibly
got the wrong freq. No facility name at all to me means they
didnt understand it from the last sector, very possible, forgot
it, also possible, or lazy, equally possible.

Chris

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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Ray Andraka wrote:
I've had the same experience. I usually check in with something like
"Approach, Cherokee 3351W, level five thousand, information papa."

To change the topic a bit...

I've been flying lately with somebody who tends to leave off the "who
you're talking to" part of radio calls. He would make the above call as
simply, "Cherokee 3351W, level five thousand, information papa". It
drives me nuts, but the more I think about it, I wonder if it's really a
problem?

What do you controllers say? Do you like to have every pilot call you
by name at the beginning of each call, or is it just extraneous verbiage
that could be dropped with no harm done?

In article .net,
SeeAndAvoid wrote:
Being called "approach" is about the only real insult, on those
occasions I may reply with the name of an airline that may
offend them, or call a Citation a twin cessna, etc.

That's good to know. I was getting flight following last Sunday and the
frequency was dead quiet. I wanted to make a request, but I couldn't
remember if I was talking to approach or center so I had to look it up.
I wouldn't want to find out what they demote a single to. ;-)

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

In article CwFfc.151835$JO3.89405@attbi_s04,
(Ben Jackson) wrote:

In article .net,
SeeAndAvoid wrote:
Being called "approach" is about the only real insult, on those
occasions I may reply with the name of an airline that may
offend them, or call a Citation a twin cessna, etc.

That's good to know. I was getting flight following last Sunday and the
frequency was dead quiet. I wanted to make a request, but I couldn't
remember if I was talking to approach or center so I had to look it up.
I wouldn't want to find out what they demote a single to. ;-)

Off-frequency, they call you flib.

"SeeAndAvoid" wrote in message
link.net...
I get called all kinds of things, and I usually joke about it that
I'm used to it being married and all.

I guess it's not such a big deal, and I dont rub it in if I get called
the wrong facility, but it'd be nice if the crew knew where they
were I'd think.

I *usually* don't rub it in. Call me "Memphis Center" and I'm cool. Call
me "Indy Center" and I'm insulted. Call me "Approach" or "Radio" and I
retaliate immediately.


On the flip side, what if I reply "504 (leaving out airline callsign),
roger". Technically it's incorrect, and not being a walking FAR
knowitall, I'd guess you are supposed to identify what facility you are
calling, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Being called "approach" is about the only real insult, on those
occasions I may reply with the name of an airline that may
offend them, or call a Citation a twin cessna, etc.

I like to use "Eastern" or "Braniff" if I'm talking to an air carrier...

Chip, ZTL

"Chip Jones" wrote:
Call me "Approach" or "Radio" and I
retaliate immediately.

There must be bad blood in Atlanta. A couple of times, Center has
handed me off to Approach and I've checked in still using "Center." It
got me a very frosty reply both times.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:
"Chip Jones" wrote:

Call me "Approach" or "Radio" and I
retaliate immediately.


There must be bad blood in Atlanta. A couple of times, Center has
handed me off to Approach and I've checked in still using "Center." It
got me a very frosty reply both times.

Controlling is tedious work and you thus have to make your own
excitement. :-)


Matt

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Dan Luke wrote:
"Chip Jones" wrote:

Call me "Approach" or "Radio" and I
retaliate immediately.


There must be bad blood in Atlanta. A couple of times, Center has
handed me off to Approach and I've checked in still using "Center." It
got me a very frosty reply both times.

Controlling is tedious work and you thus have to make your own
excitement. :-)


BLOCKED! :-)

Chip, ZTL

Chip Jones wrote:
"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
...

Dan Luke wrote:

"Chip Jones" wrote:


Call me "Approach" or "Radio" and I
retaliate immediately.


There must be bad blood in Atlanta. A couple of times, Center has
handed me off to Approach and I've checked in still using "Center." It
got me a very frosty reply both times.

Controlling is tedious work and you thus have to make your own
excitement. :-)



BLOCKED! :-)

Chip, ZTL



Oh, no, I think it got through just fine! :-)

Matt