Pilot Withdrawl and Miscellaneous Ramblings

Mat wrote:
Hey, aren't we supposed to be in church?

The Monk

I was until 12:00. What's your point?

Oh, sorry, didn't know I was suppsed to have one... g

The Monk

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Methodists can't drink?

Dang, I know a lot of sinners!

Count me in! Methodists can't drink at church functions. After that, we
are all just hypocrites!
--
Jim in NC

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:6A3Df.732768$x96.459791@attbi_s72...
[...]
I suppose you could say that "science" had little to do with those
changes,

I certainly would say that.

but I would argue that as the flock became more scientifically savvy, it
became impossible for the clergy to continue to pull the wool over their
eyes.

More like, as people are exposed to a wider variety of cultures, and the
church has to compete with alternative lifestyles, the more restrictive the
lifestyle the church demands, the fewer followers they will have.

It has nothing to do with science.

Everyone now knows that eating a hot dog on Friday isn't going to send you
straight to Hell,

Who knows that? It hasn't been scientifically proven.

everyone now knows that forcing little kids to sit still and not talk for
an hour each day is almost guaranteed to drive them away from the church
as adults,

True...a clear example of the church modifying its behavior so as to
preserve as much membership as possible. As with all of the other changes
that have occurred over the years.

[...]
So, following that logical trajectory, perhaps in another generation every
LDS will "know" that not having a glass of wine with dinner is bad for
their health?

The LDS (and other religions') prohibition against alcohol was never a
health issue. So even if your logically incorrect transposition of the
actual medical studies was correct, I see no reason it would have any
bearing on the LDS stance on drinking.

I do find it ironic that a religion in which a *defining* event within the
religion involved the consumption of wine, and the admonition to repeat that
consumption in the future "in the remembrance of me" would later evolve to
eschew the consumption of said wine. If that's not the opposite of "getting
the point", I don't know what is. But regardless, since the prohibition of
consumption of alcohol wasn't based on science or health reasons in the
first place, it doesn't follow logically that new scientific or medical
knowledge would change that prohibition.

Pete

Everyone now knows that eating a hot dog on Friday isn't going to send
you straight to Hell,

Who knows that? It hasn't been scientifically proven.

Oh, crap.

A tiny, long-suppressed "Catholic guilt neuron" fired when I read that line,
and I started to contemplate needing to go to confession.

That would take a while...

:-)

"Bless me Father, for I have sinned. My last confession was, um, during the
disco era...."

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay wrote:
"Bless me Father, for I have sinned. My last confession was, um, during the
disco era...."

;-)

Stayin' alive, stayin' alive, ha ha ya ya Stayin' alive... g

The MOnk

Flyingmonk wrote:
Mat wrote:

Hey, aren't we supposed to be in church?

The Monk


I was until 12:00. What's your point?


Oh, sorry, didn't know I was suppsed to have one... g

Yes, as long as it isn't on the top of your head... :-)

Matt

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Everyone now knows that eating a hot dog on Friday isn't going to send
you straight to Hell,

Who knows that? It hasn't been scientifically proven.

Oh, crap.

A tiny, long-suppressed "Catholic guilt neuron" fired when I read that
line, and I started to contemplate needing to go to confession.

Ooops. Sorry...didn't mean to revive old religious feelings.

For the record, I don't believe that you're going to hell. Not for eating a
hot dog on Friday, anyway. I just don't think it's been scientifically
proven.

Anyway, I don't even mean to dissuade you from your pursuit of religious
truth. I just didn't (and don't) see the connection between scientific
progress and particular religious dogma (even for religions with "science"
in their name!).

Pete

eat Kosher hotdogs, they're better, real meat and no junk.


"Peter Duniho" wrote in
message ...
| "Jay Honeck" wrote in message
| news:SxbDf.519886$084.164428@attbi_s22...
| Everyone now knows that eating a hot dog on Friday
isn't going to send
| you straight to Hell,
|
| Who knows that? It hasn't been scientifically proven.
|
| Oh, crap.
|
| A tiny, long-suppressed "Catholic guilt neuron" fired
when I read that
| line, and I started to contemplate needing to go to
confession.
|
| Ooops. Sorry...didn't mean to revive old religious
feelings.
|
| For the record, I don't believe that you're going to hell.
Not for eating a
| hot dog on Friday, anyway. I just don't think it's
been scientifically
| proven.
|
| Anyway, I don't even mean to dissuade you from your
pursuit of religious
| truth. I just didn't (and don't) see the connection
between scientific
| progress and particular religious dogma (even for
religions with "science"
| in their name!).
|
| Pete
|
|

A tiny, long-suppressed "Catholic guilt neuron" fired when I read that
line, and I started to contemplate needing to go to confession.

Ooops. Sorry...didn't mean to revive old religious feelings.

Don't worry -- it passed.

All of us reformed Catholics have that neuron. It's the very first one the
nuns stimulate in pre-school, and they don't stop playing with it until you
escape the church...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Flyingmonk wrote:
Can't speak for CJ, nor can I for the Church of JC and the LDS. I for
one couldn't adhere to all the rules. In '85 I started college and got
drunk and w/ all the girls there, well you know? Actually I got
started on all that sctivity while still in High School.

I don't think the church will change their position on the drinking,
but I have been known to be wrong on one or two occasions LOL. They
did publicly change their mind on the multiple wives thing.

I don't think too many people can adhere to all the rules of LDS or any
religion really. We are all human and we all give in to human
temptations. I managed to not smoke, drink nor have sex until late
Sorphomore year in High School, boy! was I hurting. Then I couldn't
hold my hormone any longer and the girls were wondering if I was gay.
g

BTW, cjcampbell is not one and the same Jim Campbell of the Zoom fame
correct?

I do not even admit that he comes from the same clan of Campbells. Zoom
probably is descended from MacBeth, the notorious black sheep of the
family and also someone who was probably certifiably crazy.

I am Christopher Jay Campbell, World Famous Flight Instructor (not
World's Best, as some claim -- even I have *some* humility).

If you are interested in whether the Church will change its stance on
drinking, I will refer you to www.fairboards.org, a moderated message
board discussing the Church and its policies (it tends to keep the
rhetoric of the bigots tolerable).

All I will say here is that the doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints is that when Jesus Christ comes again he will
drink wine with the saints in Zion. So the prohibition against
alcoholic beverages is at temporary in that sense, at least.