Odd TFR

John Theune wrote:
blanche cohen wrote:

There's a TFR today over DC for the State of the Union address.
I don't understand why when there's been a massive one in
place for the past 4 years.

While I don't agree in the need for the ADIZ, I think in this case it's
more justified then normal. The entire leadership of our country ( Both
sides )is in one building for the sotu and it's a good idea to ratchet
up security for that event. It's only 4 hours and if it were not for
the ADIZ I don't think anyone would complain about it. While the risk
of a light plane actually doing any damage is small, let's face it, you
could load 500 pounds or so of high explosive into a 172 and that would
make a fairly big hole in the capital building. I think that preventing
that kind of attack should start way before the plane gets in the air,
but for a short amount of time closing the airspace does make sense. The
security on commercial aircraft now makes the possibility of another 911
attack remote but that level of screening and airmarshalls just does not
exist for GA. Let's not over react to reasonable measures just because
they are over shadowed by un reasonable ones.

Sure, a light plane might poke a hole in a builing. Maybe. But as
fuzzy as my memory is, I remember a couple heavy airliners doing a lot
more damage a few years ago. Yet no one is calling for airline traffic
to be disrupted into the area. Why?

Rachel wrote:
John Theune wrote:

blanche cohen wrote:

There's a TFR today over DC for the State of the Union address.
I don't understand why when there's been a massive one in
place for the past 4 years.


While I don't agree in the need for the ADIZ, I think in this case
it's more justified then normal. The entire leadership of our country
( Both sides )is in one building for the sotu and it's a good idea to
ratchet up security for that event. It's only 4 hours and if it were
not for the ADIZ I don't think anyone would complain about it. While
the risk of a light plane actually doing any damage is small, let's
face it, you could load 500 pounds or so of high explosive into a 172
and that would make a fairly big hole in the capital building. I
think that preventing that kind of attack should start way before the
plane gets in the air, but for a short amount of time closing the
airspace does make sense. The security on commercial aircraft now
makes the possibility of another 911 attack remote but that level of
screening and airmarshalls just does not exist for GA. Let's not over
react to reasonable measures just because they are over shadowed by un
reasonable ones.


Sure, a light plane might poke a hole in a builing. Maybe. But as
fuzzy as my memory is, I remember a couple heavy airliners doing a lot
more damage a few years ago. Yet no one is calling for airline traffic
to be disrupted into the area. Why?
Rachel;
Did you read my post? Let's face it, you can turn a 172 into a cruise
missile like device. It's not very likely and the solution to that
problem should not be to close the airspace all the time, but for a
special occasion like the SOTU where all the leadership of both parties
are in a single building, then it does make sense to try to make it as
secure as possible. GA is never going to convince the rest of the world
that we are being unfairly picked on unless we show that we can live
with reasonable restrictions and I don't think closing the airspace
around DC for 4 HOURs is unreasonable.

"John Theune" wrote in message
news:EC3Ef.16059$oo1.2926@trnddc02...
GA is never going to convince the rest of the world
that we are being unfairly picked on unless we show
that we can live with reasonable restrictions and I
don't think closing the airspace around DC for 4
HOURs is unreasonable.

GA is going to learn the same thing that gun owners have learned over the
years... Compromise never ends and once you've given up part of your right,
it's next to impossible to get it back... The anti-GA people won't be happy
until they have gotten all of us out of the sky... Every concession that we
make are just getting us closer to this condition...

John Theune wrote:
Rachel wrote:

John Theune wrote:

blanche cohen wrote:

There's a TFR today over DC for the State of the Union address.
I don't understand why when there's been a massive one in
place for the past 4 years.



While I don't agree in the need for the ADIZ, I think in this case
it's more justified then normal. The entire leadership of our
country ( Both sides )is in one building for the sotu and it's a good
idea to ratchet up security for that event. It's only 4 hours and if
it were not for the ADIZ I don't think anyone would complain about
it. While the risk of a light plane actually doing any damage is
small, let's face it, you could load 500 pounds or so of high
explosive into a 172 and that would make a fairly big hole in the
capital building. I think that preventing that kind of attack should
start way before the plane gets in the air, but for a short amount of
time closing the airspace does make sense. The security on commercial
aircraft now makes the possibility of another 911 attack remote but
that level of screening and airmarshalls just does not exist for GA.
Let's not over react to reasonable measures just because they are
over shadowed by un reasonable ones.



Sure, a light plane might poke a hole in a builing. Maybe. But as
fuzzy as my memory is, I remember a couple heavy airliners doing a lot
more damage a few years ago. Yet no one is calling for airline
traffic to be disrupted into the area. Why?

Rachel;
Did you read my post? Let's face it, you can turn a 172 into a cruise
missile like device. It's not very likely and the solution to that
problem should not be to close the airspace all the time, but for a
special occasion like the SOTU where all the leadership of both parties
are in a single building, then it does make sense to try to make it as
secure as possible. GA is never going to convince the rest of the world
that we are being unfairly picked on unless we show that we can live
with reasonable restrictions and I don't think closing the airspace
around DC for 4 HOURs is unreasonable.

I did read your post. I still believe that GA is being singled out.
Why is airline traffic allowed to continue when small aircraft are not?
It's been demonstrated that large aircraft, on IFR flight plans, are a
risk.

"John Theune" wrote in message
news:EC3Ef.16059$oo1.2926@trnddc02...

Let's face it, you can turn a 172 into a cruise
missile like device. It's not very likely and the solution to that
problem should not be to close the airspace all the time, but for a
special occasion like the SOTU where all the leadership of both parties
are in a single building, then it does make sense to try to make it as
secure as possible. GA is never going to convince the rest of the world
that we are being unfairly picked on unless we show that we can live with
reasonable restrictions and I don't think closing the airspace around DC
for 4 HOURs is unreasonable.


And just how do these TFRs make the airspace as secure as possible?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"John Theune" wrote in message
news:EC3Ef.16059$oo1.2926@trnddc02...

Let's face it, you can turn a 172 into a cruise
missile like device. It's not very likely and the solution to that
problem should not be to close the airspace all the time, but for a
special occasion like the SOTU where all the leadership of both parties
are in a single building, then it does make sense to try to make it as
secure as possible. GA is never going to convince the rest of the world
that we are being unfairly picked on unless we show that we can live with
reasonable restrictions and I don't think closing the airspace around DC
for 4 HOURs is unreasonable.



And just how do these TFRs make the airspace as secure as possible?


Simple, if you in the TFR then you are a threat and can be dealt with.
How they choose to deal with the threat is another story. The current
ADIZ is not at all secure, since anyone can call and file a ADIZ flight
plan. The current method has all of the problems and none of the gains
for controlling airspace. Except it make the general population feel
better.

"John Theune" wrote in message
news:eCmEf.90824$M94.10477@trnddc01...

Simple, if you in the TFR then you are a threat and can be dealt with. How
they choose to deal with the threat is another story.


How are they dealt with?