I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!!

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:58:47 -0600, City Father wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:24:22 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

I don't think Nader went after the Thing...that was about ten years after his
heyday. The Thing tanked because it was a piece of crap. It had all the
drawbacks of the standard Beetle (low power, poor heater, floorboard rust-out,
fairly poor mileage) and none of the good aspects, and zero quality. And
next-to-no occupant protection.

I owned one for ~20 years, I should know....

How many USA cars have you owned for 20 years, Ron?

*Owned* the "Thing" for almost 20 years, only drove it for about eight. Was a
third/fourth car for much of the time I owned it, quietly rusting away in the
garage. It was a spare car when I was single (bought in ~1978), then my wife's
daily commuter 1981-1984 until we bought her a Nissan pickup. After that, just
took it out on warm, sunny, Seattle evenings to drive around with the top down.

Had 88K miles when I sold it, basically because I was tired of it cluttering up
the garage. We've owned the pickup for the past 22 years, same thing....been
sitting nearly idle since '93. Think I've put about 4,000 miles on it in that
time. Don't object so much to it, since there are times you absolutely *need* a
pickup truck. It now sits in my hangar, so the garage isn't cluttered.

The Thing's only advantage is that you could carry a full sheet of plywood in
it. Not *totally* in it, mind, but it would sit flat.

But if I were offered the choice of being in an accident in the Thing or in my
22-year-old pickup, I'd be in that Nissan *real* fast. The Thing had big
storage pockets in the doors...pretty convenient, until you realized that the
outside of the storage pocket was the inside face of the exterior sheet metal.
Absolutely nothing to resist a side impact but flat 0.060 steel. If you slammed
the doors, the whole side of the car would shake back and forth. Didn't make
much difference to a dashing 24-year-old Lieutenant, but as you get older, that
sort of thing does give you pause.

Have driven several US-made cars for longer periods, including more miles. Have
owned two US cars older than 20 years old ('46 and '51 Willys Jeeps, back in the
'70s), still wish I had them.

Ron Wanttaja

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:07:05 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:


But if I were offered the choice of being in an accident in the Thing or in my
22-year-old pickup, I'd be in that Nissan *real* fast. The Thing had big
storage pockets in the doors...pretty convenient, until you realized that the
outside of the storage pocket was the inside face of the exterior sheet metal.
Absolutely nothing to resist a side impact but flat 0.060 steel. If you slammed
the doors, the whole side of the car would shake back and forth. Didn't make
much difference to a dashing 24-year-old Lieutenant, but as you get older, that
sort of thing does give you pause.

I currently own a '97 Nissan Hardbody that was purchased new.
A sheet of plywood doesn't lie flat, however the airbag is a plus.
It's my third Nissan truck. Don't stay in 'em 20 years, tho.
Gotta' feed the economy once in a while....
Sometimes Detroit. Other times, Tennessee or Ohio.
Even made the mistake of buying a Kansas City built FORD...
Once.

- Barnyard BOb -

("- Barnyard BOb -" wrote)
Even made the mistake of buying a Kansas City built FORD...
Once.


Try one built in St Paul - Ranger's only plant now that NJ is done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Cities_Assembly_Plant
Ford's oldest and BEST plant!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:F...ck_and_dam.jpg

I worked there for one week in 1978 - they were changing over from cars to
trucks. I was 18 and stoopid, so I left for something less difficult and
more fun. I was on the chassis line - ugh!


Montblack
UAW baby! $12.50/hr after a probation period. I was making $8.50/hr temp
wages.

I worked there for one week in 1978 - they were changing over from cars to
trucks. I was 18 and stoopid, so I left for something less difficult and
more fun. I was on the chassis line - ugh!
Montblack
UAW baby! $12.50/hr after a probation period. I was making $8.50/hr temp
wages.

Was this what you were making in '78 Montblack? Wow that's good money
back then I bet.

The Monk

("Flyingmonk" wrote)
UAW baby! $12.50/hr after a probation period. I was making $8.50/hr temp
wages.

Was this what you were making in '78 Montblack? Wow that's good money
back then I bet.


I was at $8 temp. I didn't stay long enough for the $12.50 - $14.00.
With OT it was a full-time $25-$32K job in '78.

Nice houses sold for $50K-$75K in 1978.
College at a very nice private school was $4,800. $5,050 in '79. St Olaf.
1976 new VW Karmann Ghia was under $4K.
Gas was 0.57/gal It topped $1.00 in the spring of '79.
IIRC, new Ford full size pickups were about $7K-$8K in 1978.

1978 was the first year for the Cessna 152 ....$15K Base price.
http://www.cessna150-152club.com/


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Flyingmonk" wrote)
UAW baby! $12.50/hr after a probation period. I was making $8.50/hr temp
wages.

Was this what you were making in '78 Montblack? Wow that's good money
back then I bet.


I was at $8 temp. I didn't stay long enough for the $12.50 - $14.00.
With OT it was a full-time $25-$32K job in '78.

Nice houses sold for $50K-$75K in 1978.
College at a very nice private school was $4,800. $5,050 in '79. St Olaf.
1976 new VW Karmann Ghia was under $4K.
Gas was 0.57/gal It topped $1.00 in the spring of '79.
IIRC, new Ford full size pickups were about $7K-$8K in 1978.

1978 was the first year for the Cessna 152 ....$15K Base price.
http://www.cessna150-152club.com/

Minimum wage was $3.65, I think.
--
Jim in NC

("Morgans" wrote)
1978 was the first year for the Cessna 152 ....$15K Base price.
http://www.cessna150-152club.com/

Minimum wage was $3.65, I think.


$3.65 is high for 1978.

I was lifeguarding for $2.40 and $2.90 in '75 to '78. Arby's, in 1978, paid
$4.25 if you could run the back table (fill sandwiches orders for 4 cash
registers) during dinner rush - if not, you got $3.85. Arby's paid almost
$1.00/hr more than Mac's.


Montblack
1978 Yamaha 360 ...windshield/back rest/ luggage rack/roll bar/foot pegs --
$1,100
1981 Yamaha 650 Special II ....... $ ????

Wow,

That was great 4 yah. I remember that my dad was supporting us on
$3.75/hr at a Radiation Systems on the shop floor making Sat Dishes for
the military I think. Something like that.

The Monk

"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message ...
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Have driven several US-made cars for longer periods, including more miles. Have
owned two US cars older than 20 years old ('46 and '51 Willys Jeeps, back in the
'70s), still wish I had them.

Ron Wanttaja

The first 4X4 my Dad had on the farm was a Willy's Jeep. He later bought a Willy's pickup and had the local FFA
chapter repaint it. I restored a 1948 Willy's Jeep pickup back in the late 70's / early 80's. Fond memories! My
new bride loved driving it. You could go lot's of places in one... you just couldn't go there very fast!

Joe Schneider
8437R



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"JJS" jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net wrote in message
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The first 4X4 my Dad had on the farm was a Willy's Jeep. He later bought
a Willy's pickup and had the local FFA chapter repaint it. I restored a
1948 Willy's Jeep pickup back in the late 70's / early 80's. Fond
memories! My new bride loved driving it. You could go lot's of places in
one... you just couldn't go there very fast!

Joe..........

Try the new Jeep with the Hemi. . .

Rich "My wife's got the 300C - I've got the '65 Corvair" S.