Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?

This came about by the increased usage of computers in Air Traffic Control.
Computers could not understand or process a VOR(Cleveland VOR) CLE direct
to Cleveland (Hopkins) Airport CLE. So it was decided to change the name
the name of the VOR. So Cleveland VOR becamw Dryer VOR (DBJ). It was
nameed after a very prominent Cleveland aviation family. Milwaukee VOR
became Badger, South Bend VOR became Gipper (wonder why?) and so on.
Al


"Henry A. Spellman" wrote in message
news:SBOFf.780436$xm3.140642@attbi_s21...
Controllers sometimes don't remember that a fix or facility name has
changed. I live near Bloomington, IL, with a VOR named Bloomington (BMI).
My son lived near Bloomington, IN, and the VOR approach to the airport
nearest his home was based on the VOR at Bloomington, IN, naturally named
Bloomington VOR (BMG if I remember correctly). Shortly after the
Bloomington (IN) VOR was renamed Hoosier VOR (OOM), I was enroute to see
my son when I received an amended clearance "direct to Bloomington VOR".
I asked for clarification, and the controller repeated the same clearance.
Bloomington (IL) (BMI) was behind me, so I asked why he wanted me to turn
around. Then it dawned on me, and I asked if maybe the last clearance was
really for Hoosier VOR. He agreed that Hoosier VOR would be better.

You can't ever let your guard down.

Hank
Henry A. Spellman
Comanche N5903P

Marco Leon wrote:
Interesting questions.
Question A: It depends on the controller. In the Northeast, I've found
that
the more commonly-used VORs are referred to by name only while others
have
the identifier called out on a regular basis--especially if the ID is
nothing like the name. Just ask the controller to give it to you by the
identifier beforehand. They'll probably have no probem with it.

Question B: Like you mentioned, the Jepps have the spoken name on their
charts which is one of their benefits. At least at my home field--where
the
spoken name is Republic and the charts are under Farmingdale--I've never
personally heard it cause any confusion (with or without the tower
operational). Most pilots can figure it out quite readily. Call them by
whatever the ATC facility is using (either tower or Approach) and you
can't
go wrong. As for the history of WHY, well, that probably varies with each
facility.

Marco

In a previous article, "Allan9" said:
This came about by the increased usage of computers in Air Traffic Control.
Computers could not understand or process a VOR(Cleveland VOR) CLE direct
to Cleveland (Hopkins) Airport CLE. So it was decided to change the name
the name of the VOR. So Cleveland VOR becamw Dryer VOR (DBJ). It was
nameed after a very prominent Cleveland aviation family. Milwaukee VOR
became Badger, South Bend VOR became Gipper (wonder why?) and so on.
Al

So why are so many VORs around here still sharing the name and ident with
the local airport? SYR, ROC and BUF are all FAA ids that are shared
between airports and their on-field or nearby VORs. BUF VOR is even part
of the BUFFALO ONE departure from BUF airport, and is part of the feeder
routes for several instrument approaches there.

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Paul Tomblin wrote:

So why are so many VORs around here still sharing the name and ident with
the local airport? SYR, ROC and BUF are all FAA ids that are shared
between airports and their on-field or nearby VORs. BUF VOR is even part
of the BUFFALO ONE departure from BUF airport, and is part of the feeder
routes for several instrument approaches there.

Flying out of Syracuse, I was thinking the same thing...

--
Peter

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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So why are so many VORs around here still sharing the name and ident with
the local airport? SYR, ROC and BUF are all FAA ids that are shared
between airports and their on-field or nearby VORs. BUF VOR is even part
of the BUFFALO ONE departure from BUF airport, and is part of the feeder
routes for several instrument approaches there.


Because they're on or near the airport. Only the VORs that were some
distance from the fields were changed, generally more than five miles.

"Allan9" wrote in message ...

.... So Cleveland VOR becamw Dryer VOR (DBJ). It was
nameed after a very prominent Cleveland aviation family. Milwaukee VOR
became Badger, South Bend VOR became Gipper (wonder why?) and so on.
Al


"And so on" indeed.
In 1956, the Columbus, Ohio zoo had the first gorilla baby ever born
in captivity. Shortly after, our VOR was renamed APE (Appleton).

"John R. Copeland" wrote in message
. ..
"Allan9" wrote in message
...

"And so on" indeed. In 1956, the Columbus, Ohio zoo had the first gorilla
baby ever born in captivity. Shortly after, our VOR was renamed APE
(Appleton).


No it wasn't. Columbus VOR was located about three miles SSE of New Albany.
Appleton VOR is about four miles SSE of Appleton. I think the choice of
designator was more likely influenced by the name of the nearby community
than by any recent birth at the zoo.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...

"John R. Copeland" wrote in message
. ..
"Allan9" wrote in message
...

"And so on" indeed. In 1956, the Columbus, Ohio zoo had the first gorilla
baby ever born in captivity. Shortly after, our VOR was renamed APE
(Appleton).


No it wasn't. Columbus VOR was located about three miles SSE of New Albany.
Appleton VOR is about four miles SSE of Appleton. I think the choice of
designator was more likely influenced by the name of the nearby community
than by any recent birth at the zoo.

You're correct about the locations, Steven, but in 1956 the stated reason for the
location change was the construction of a 720,000-volt electrical power line
whose right-of-way passed very near the old VOR location.
(That line was one of the earliest 720kV lines in the U.S.)
That region is the highest elevation in the county, and the move was said to guard
against reflections from the towers and the massive conductors of the lines.

If not for commemoration of the birth of Colo, I didn't think a change in name
was particularly mandated from moving the VOR by maybe 5 miles or so.
I guessed at the time that somebody searched hard to locate a little burg
in the vicinity which could "justify" the APE designation. :-)

"John R. Copeland" wrote in message
...

You're correct about the locations, Steven, but in 1956 the stated reason
for the
location change was the construction of a 720,000-volt electrical power
line
whose right-of-way passed very near the old VOR location.


I said nothing about the reason a new VOR site was needed. My point was
just that the VOR had not been renamed.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...

"John R. Copeland" wrote in message
...

You're correct about the locations, Steven, but in 1956 the stated reason
for the
location change was the construction of a 720,000-volt electrical power
line
whose right-of-way passed very near the old VOR location.


I said nothing about the reason a new VOR site was needed. My point was
just that the VOR had not been renamed.

Ah, of course. I see what you meant.
OK, the old VOR was decommissioned, and its replacement was named APE.
It was an apt name, though.
It's immaterial that other VORs have been moved without being renamed.

"John R. Copeland" wrote in message
m...

Ah, of course. I see what you meant.
OK, the old VOR was decommissioned, and its replacement was named APE.
It was an apt name, though.
It's immaterial that other VORs have been moved without being renamed.


The discussion had been about VORs that had been renamed without being
moved.